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snagel
05-17-2008, 23:00
THE ZEB HAS BEEN FOUND!!!!!!

I have to give credit to mm2002 who actually located the girl. She is docked at Long Creek Marina south of Branson.

Check out my album below, for pics.

Amazing story, mm2002 was scouting camp sites and found a nice site for the weekend. When he walked down to the water...whula...there she was. I met up with mm2002 and his wife (both are great people by the way)for a dive a Dewey today and then we started on the adventure to find the Zeb.

The story we were told is that ownership is once again in limbo. The potential new owner has acquired the boat, but the sale is not final. The new owner is deciding what to do with the boat. One option is to restore it, but it comes with a $350,000 price tag. The other option is to sink it for a dive attraction.

Enjoy the pictures. As you can see she is in pretty bad shape.

S. Nagel

DOWNDEEP73
05-17-2008, 23:22
Is there a thread somewhere about the Zeb?
What is the history behind it?

skdvr
05-18-2008, 01:51
Is there a thread somewhere about the Zeb?
What is the history behind it?

Just do a search for it and you will find it...

Thanks for the pics... I vote for sinking her :smiley20:

Phil

coyote
05-18-2008, 06:45
[quote=skdvr;174377
Thanks for the pics... I vote for sinking her :smiley20:

Phil[/quote]

Oh yeah, I'd be a fun dive

snagel
05-18-2008, 08:30
Downdeep73,

Check out the other other thread on this forum (midwest) called "Zebulon Pike". It has some of the history. It has been somewhat of a mystery, but at one time she was a tour boat on Table Rock. Before that I believe she was on other waters. What sparked my interest is that I dove a site last year called "Zebulon Pike" on Table Rock. Shortly after that I started hearing stories that what was under water was not the Zebulon Pike. So, I started researching this with others on this forum. What we believe is under the water is what was called "The General"; which, was a mooring that the Zeb tied up too or was a sister ship at one time.

S. Nagel

DOWNDEEP73
05-18-2008, 09:48
Downdeep73,

Check out the other other thread on this forum (midwest) called "Zebulon Pike". It has some of the history. It has been somewhat of a mystery, but at one time she was a tour boat on Table Rock. Before that I believe she was on other waters. What sparked my interest is that I dove a site last year called "Zebulon Pike" on Table Rock. Shortly after that I started hearing stories that what was under water was not the Zebulon Pike. So, I started researching this with others on this forum. What we believe is under the water is what was called "The General"; which, was a mooring that the Zeb tied up too or was a sister ship at one time.

S. Nagel
Thanks for the info!
I read the other thread too!
Boy, she is in bad shape!
Sink her!
http://forum.scubatoys.com/midwest/9557-zebulon-pike.html

mm2002
05-18-2008, 13:57
Great pics snagel! The coolest part was actually getting to board the boat and look around. They actually let us take some of the old life vests home with us, which are stamped Zebulon Pike. Cool piece of history right there!

SteveC
05-18-2008, 22:57
Looks like the mystery has finely been solved. The Zeb has been rumored to exist somewhere down there, but I think we now have definitive proof. I guess this is where we all start officially calling the old dive site the “General”.

skdvr
05-19-2008, 07:05
Looks like the mystery has finely been solved. The Zeb has been rumored to exist somewhere down there, but I think we now have definitive proof. I guess this is where we all start officially calling the old dive site the “General”.


The General it is....

That will take some breaking, since I have been calling it the Zeb for a few years now. I am sure I will get some crazy looks when I ask someone if they want to dive the General:smiley20:. Not that me getting crazy looks is anything new....

Phil

navyhmc
05-19-2008, 07:31
...I want to dive the General!!!!:smiley13: :D

mm2002
05-19-2008, 07:58
What I wonder about is, it has obviously been known for a long time that it was never sunk, so why did they call the General the Zeb for all these years?
Even the dive maps still call it the Zeb.

cummings66
05-19-2008, 16:21
I've wondered the same thing. I've seen the Zeb in person when it was at Cricket Creek Marina and so I knew the dive site was misnamed. Why I've never heard.

snagel
05-19-2008, 17:19
My theory is:

If the General was used as a mooring boat for entry onto the Zeb then people probably just got used to calling everything the Zeb. So, when it was gone the Zeb was docked and the General was sunk. Since everything was gone, word got around that the Zeb was sunk referring to both boats.

Just a thought.

S. Nagel

mm2002
05-19-2008, 17:41
My theory is:

If the General was used as a mooring boat for entry onto the Zeb then people probably just got used to calling everything the Zeb. So, when it was gone the Zeb was docked and the General was sunk. Since everything was gone, word got around that the Zeb was sunk referring to both boats.

Just a thought.

S. Nagel


I'll bet that's 100% the deal. After they sink the REAL Zeb, they'll have to change the name of the other one!

Plus, I plan to keep an eye on the situation now, so when the REAL Zeb goes down, I want to be among the first to dive it. Snagel, you'll be getting a phone call when that happens. :smiley2:

polocowboy1
01-19-2009, 14:07
Wow... what memories the Zebulon has got. It is so sad to see it in such bad shape. If anyone is interested I have pictures of it when we did the dinner cruises on Table Rock Lake in 1982. It was owned at that time by my late husband.

skdvr
01-19-2009, 14:46
I would love to see some pics of it... Can you post them on here???

Welcome to the forum:)

Phil

bottomdweller
01-19-2009, 14:52
I would also love to see these pics.
Also do you have any other info on the Zeb & what exactly is the boat that has been sunk & is now called the Zeb by all who dive it?

Welcome aboard!!!

mm2002
01-19-2009, 17:15
I would really love to see the pics too! Thanks! Snagel and I got to walk aboard the Zeb and check it out, that was pretty cool. The guy gave us some of the old life jackets that had zebulon pike stamped on them, that was cool too! Those pics would be awesome to see!

snagel
01-20-2009, 17:42
Yes, I would love to see the pics as well. If you have problems posting them, email them to me nagel1990@charter.net I will get them posted for you.

Also, if you have any information on the history of her, we would love to hear it. There has been a lot of debate on the history of the boat and what exactly is sunk off Indian Point and called the Zebulon Pike. Thanks for posting.

S. Nagel

mm2002
01-25-2009, 10:46
Wow... what memories the Zebulon has got. It is so sad to see it in such bad shape. If anyone is interested I have pictures of it when we did the dinner cruises on Table Rock Lake in 1982. It was owned at that time by my late husband.

So where are the pics? Please don't tease us like that! :smiley36:

Broncocrazy
07-07-2011, 15:57
Don't sink what you call the Zebulon Pike. In reality she is the Hannah Kildahl,named after my great grandmother and was built in Milwaukee ,Wisconsin.This boat has a long history and started out as a tour boat on Lake Michigan in the early 50's.

mm2002
07-07-2011, 20:48
Your story is rather vague......please tell more. :smiley2:

snagel
07-07-2011, 21:23
Yes, please tell us more. MM and I have been trying to get to the real story of these boats for several years. (MM even went south looking for clues). If you know more about the history of any of these boats, we would love to hear. If you know where any information is, I would love to do the research.

Snagel

navyhmc
07-07-2011, 22:34
Color me intrigued...plese do enlighten....

SteveC
07-07-2011, 22:40
Sorry dude.... she's already at the bottom of the lake.

navyhmc
07-07-2011, 23:43
Sorry dude.... she's already at the bottom of the lake.

Do you mean the "REAL" Zebulon Pike that was at Long Creek Marina or the Zebulon Pike sunk off Indian Point???

Bob42
07-08-2011, 16:09
Unless she was sunk in the last 4 years. I took my kids. The builder Christian Sommer's Great Great grand children to see her at Cricket Creek marina. The barge at the lake bottom is the General. The floating dock where you would purchase tickets.9593

Bob42
07-08-2011, 16:21
9596The "Pike" Hannah Kildahl in 2006. I have photos and info from the time my dad played on her as a kid

Bob42
07-08-2011, 16:24
More photos

Bob42
07-08-2011, 16:27
9600more

Broncocrazy
07-08-2011, 16:39
Bob Sommer's great grandfather Christian was my grandmother, Ragna Sommer's , brother. Spencer Knutson,son of Frieda Sommer(sister of Christian and Ragna) used to pilot the boat out of Milwaukee on tours of the harbor and later moved the Hannah down to Chicago to take tours there.

Bob42
07-08-2011, 16:40
I had gotten info from the Corps of engineers that she had been sunk. My grandfather was heart broken. After more phone calls and investigation I had learned that it was in fact the General that was sunk. I drove done to Cricket Creek in1992 and found her the first time. I was able to show photos to my grandfather before he passed away. I then hunted her done again to take my children to see her assuming that she would soon be at the bottom with the General that was in 2006

Bob42
07-08-2011, 16:42
I am currently out of town , but I do have quite a bit of information of the the history of the boat at home

snagel
07-08-2011, 17:20
Totally Awesome....Thanks for sharing. I don't know why, but this mystery has been somewhat of a adventure for me. When MM2002 called in 2008 to drive down to Brandson to see what he had found, I jumped in the truck. I've moved all my pictures to our website at www.midwestmuckdiving.com (http://www.midwestmuckdiving.com) You have to click on the photo page at top and then look through the albums on the left for the Zebulon Pike.

I've contacted various magazines inquiring about information and suggesting they do research and print a story about the boat and whats actually sunk in Table Rock Lake and known as the Zebulon Pike. There seems to be some interest in this story. If you have more information I'd love to hear it. I would suggest you write something up and maybe see about getting it published because there seems to be a huge mystery here. But, in the mean time, please respond back with what you know.

I'd like to hear how it got to Table Rock Lake. I've heard that at one time one of the boats "Zebulon Pike" or "The General" was on the Mississippi. It gets so confusing as to actually which boat people are talking about. How did the The General sink...by the Corps?

Great information and as you can see for some odd reason this is very passionate to me....I really don't know why?

S. Nagel

Bob42
07-08-2011, 20:46
The Corps did sink the General. I will dig out a photo I have of the Zeb on the Mississippi next to a paddle wheel boat in front of the St. Louis Arch. The boat started as a tour boat in milwukee and Chicago. She was sold in 1974 to Paddlford boats in Stillwater Mn where for a few years she toured. then sold to....I believe the guys name was blackwood....not sure I will need to look it up...In Table Rock.The Hannah could not make the entire journy via the Mississippi. Divers where hired to wheld wheels to the hull.the phone and electric companies had to tag a long moving power and phone line along back roads because highway bridges at the time were to short. She was launched and used for dinner cruises on Table Rock lake. The wheels and towing equipment were not hooked up quite right and the bow was sprung so she would always pull to one side. My understanding is the owner was not well liked and built a large debit in town. He finally abandoned bot the General and the Hannah in Indian Cove. When I found her in the 90s a man from St Louis owned her and he had grand schemes of rebuilding it and using it as his personal craft.... When I went back again in 2006 worse shape except for a portion was repainted blue and white

Bob42
07-08-2011, 20:51
Those pics are great. I am glad she is in a slip now. I looked on Google maps. I used to be able to see it on the end of the Crickit creek pier. I saw she was not there anymore and thought she was sunk

Bob42
07-08-2011, 20:58
if you look closely at the paint, you can see the light green. That was the last color she was in Milwaukee. Then Red, then blue. The 2 pieces removed from her while she was abandoned where the oak steering wheel and the the Oak mast head. The boat always seemed to hold the minds of people. My grand father built balsa wood and hard wood replicas of her that I still have on display in my home today. He used the original plans. Each grandchild got a similar yet modified version as my grand father would see things he would have done different. The topside railing was added at Table Rock to accommodate more people. I rode up there once as a child.

Bob42
07-08-2011, 21:19
what Marina was she at when you took those pics?

skydancer506
07-08-2011, 21:21
So exactly where is this vessel now? Bob42 - thanks for telling me about it yesterday. I'm interested in this as a future restoration project, per our discussion. Will need your help on that project. We'll discuss it over the weekend.

snagel
07-08-2011, 21:32
In 2008, she was sitting in a slip at Cricket Creek Marina which is south of Branson, MO. She needs a lot of work, but a great restoration project for somebody.

Bob42
07-08-2011, 21:56
It used to sit right on the main road side. The marina owners hated it there. If the same guy still owns it the marina does not give out his name. I had thought one of the resorts had bought it, but apperently that is not the case

Bob42
07-08-2011, 21:59
9601The red circle is the last place I saw it....which building is it in now?

Bob42
07-08-2011, 22:02
9602...

Bob42
07-08-2011, 22:09
9603let me know if the pics getting boring.... I am having fun looking thru the small amount I have here on my laptop.... top left phot. Smaller guy Christian Sommer. my great grand father. on tto his right. Bill Sommer my grand father. circa 1954 Sommer Boat Company Milwaukee Wisconsin

Bob42
07-08-2011, 22:14
A vest I have says Hannah Kildahl on it

snagel
07-08-2011, 22:42
When I saw it, it was in a slip. It was flooded out that day and we actually had to be escorted to the slips by boat. We couldn't walk to them. It was in the first slip. I believe by your picture, it would be the first slip on the first dock just below where you drew the circle.

I probably shouldn't say this, but the marina gave me one of the life vests from the boat that says "Zebulon Pike" on it. The pictures are great.

Snagel

snagel
07-08-2011, 22:48
I can't seem to pull any of the pictures off my website, but if you go to it and pull up the photo album for Zebulon Pike, there are several pictures of the boat in the slip.

Snagel

snagel
07-08-2011, 22:54
One of the pictures you posted shows it being towed down the road. The back of it shows the name was changed to the Zebulon Pike. When was that taken? Was that when it was being transferred to Table Rock?

Snagel

Bob42
07-08-2011, 22:56
I saw them. they look great. I have one at home of my dad standing with the Zeb AND the General right after she was left to rot

Bob42
07-08-2011, 22:57
That is when the name was changed. I believe that was about 1980

SteveC
07-08-2011, 23:34
I've dove the General with Snagel, and I'd love to see some pictures of her if you have any. It's hard to get a good idea of what she looks like since it's fairly dark down there.

skdvr
07-09-2011, 06:21
I'm heading down to TRL in a few hours for the week, and I will take the boat down to Cricket Creek and see if the Zeb is still there. I'm pretty sure I saw it there last year when I was down there.

Very Interesting story. Thanks for sharing all the old pics and info!

Phil

BUDMAN
07-09-2011, 08:03
snagel great work on this
it's a fascinating story. Bob42 thanks for your information and pictures. i've always wanted to dive on this just never got around to it.

perhaps a save the ZEB/Hannah fund?

Bob42
07-09-2011, 17:05
That is kind of what I am hoping to do

navyhmc
07-09-2011, 21:42
Personally, I found myself looking at the pictures and thinking: That would be one hell of a dive boat!

If I'd only won the lottery tonight....

Bob42
07-09-2011, 22:01
Personally, I found myself looking at the pictures and thinking: That would be one hell of a dive boat!

If I'd only won the lottery tonight....


I am not a diver..... But I can understand that....Air Force here by the way

snagel
07-10-2011, 05:59
Bob42,

I think many here would be interested in any pic's you might have of The General. I think we pretty much confirmed that what we know as the Zebulon Pike dive is really The General dive.

Regarding the real Zeb/Hannah, I take it that your family no longer owns this. Are you wanting to try and purchase this back and maybe restore it?

Snagel

Flatliner
07-10-2011, 11:00
It does look big enough that it would make a very cool houseboat...

skdvr
07-10-2011, 13:40
Here you go. She is still at Cricket Creek Marina, and she is for SALE.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll34/pebalsamo/IMG_6463.jpg

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll34/pebalsamo/IMG_6465.jpg

Phil

Flatliner
07-10-2011, 17:53
If I was both wealthy and retired...

navyhmc
07-10-2011, 22:01
Must.... Win.... Lottery!!!!!

Yeah, I'm with you on that one flatliner. Rebuild and make it my home on the water.

skdvr
07-10-2011, 22:13
I agree, it would be a fun project. But it would certainly be a PROJECT.

Phil

SteveC
07-11-2011, 00:23
I wonder what it cost the owner to keep her docked there all these years.

Bob42
07-11-2011, 00:51
I heard 6 grand

navyhmc
07-11-2011, 02:28
per year???

skdvr
07-11-2011, 08:16
Bob - if you are really thinking about buying it and want any other pics of it just let me know. I could drive over and take some pics of the inside...

Phil

Bob42
07-11-2011, 23:07
I have a friend that is checking historical preservation of it. I could probably afford the boat. Its the cost to move it that makes it out of my reach

Bob42
07-11-2011, 23:07
My soon to be wife and I are thinking of driving down yet the summer just to take a peek

Bob42
07-11-2011, 23:08
No I heard the asking price was 6000.... the slip if I recall was 1000 per year

snagel
07-12-2011, 05:30
$1K per year for the slip sounds about right. Actually, $6K for the boat doesn't sound too bad. I've been in it and it needs a lot of work. I would really scrutinize the engines. Everything else is pretty much clean, fix, and paint, but if new engines are required that could get into a lot of money.

To move it, I wouldn't think it would be that bad if you could fit it on a flatbed truck. I guess depends on how high and wide it is. I would love to see somebody restore this thing. (Why does Captain Ron flash into my mind - kick the tires and light the fires if anything is going to happen it will happen out there)

BTW, did you ever come across any pics of The General?

Snagel

navyhmc
07-12-2011, 20:56
As for moving: Bob42, what are the specs on her? Length? Beam? Height? Draft? What about engines and screws?

mm2002
07-13-2011, 05:47
Thanks for all the info and pics Bob42! I've been away from the forum lately, but this was a cool thread to resurrect. I do remember when Snagel and I went down there to see her, and I still have that life vest. The last I heard, they were trying to get permission from the Corps to sink her as a dive attraction. I'd much rather see her get sold and refurbed. I know it would take a ton of cash to do so, but hopefully someone will take on the project. Hopefully, this will lay the story to rest, and all those who've been diving the "Zeb" for all these years now know the rest of us weren't full of crap!

PACKRMAN
07-13-2011, 12:10
Hopefully, this will lay the story to rest, and all those who've been diving the "Zeb" for all these years now know the rest of us weren't full of crap!

Well, maybe not Snagel. You on the other hand will always be up to your ears.:smiley36:

snagel
07-13-2011, 17:08
He, Ha, He......They got you figured out MM. You can run away and hide, but we all know.

Snagel

Broncocrazy
07-14-2011, 01:39
How about a "Save the Hannah " Facebook page with history and pictures ?

mm2002
07-15-2011, 06:01
Well, maybe not Snagel. You on the other hand will always be up to your ears.:smiley36:


He, Ha, He......They got you figured out MM. You can run away and hide, but we all know.

Snagel

Damn, you guys know me too well :smiley36:

navyhmc
07-15-2011, 14:13
But we still love you mm. :smiley36:

Bob42
07-19-2011, 13:38
966196629663 the first pic is on the Mississippi. with what I believew is the General

Bob42
07-19-2011, 13:51
Log In | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/groups/168691553201710)

cgvmer
07-19-2011, 13:52
So did they at least stop calling the General the Zebulon Pike?

Bob42
07-19-2011, 13:52
I created a Facebook group...... ZebulonPike /Hannah Kildahl (http://www.facebook.com/groups/168691553201710)

Bob42
07-19-2011, 13:57
Thanks for all the info and pics Bob42! I've been away from the forum lately, but this was a cool thread to resurrect. I do remember when Snagel and I went down there to see her, and I still have that life vest. The last I heard, they were trying to get permission from the Corps to sink her as a dive attraction. I'd much rather see her get sold and refurbed. I know it would take a ton of cash to do so, but hopefully someone will take on the project. Hopefully, this will lay the story to rest, and all those who've been diving the "Zeb" for all these years now know the rest of us weren't full of crap!
If anyone ever hears they have approval to sink her I would appreciate a heads up....I would like to be there

Broncocrazy
07-19-2011, 18:15
https://www.facebook.com/groups/168691553201710

skydancer506
07-19-2011, 18:45
Bob - if you are really thinking about buying it and want any other pics of it just let me know. I could drive over and take some pics of the inside...

Phil

I'm the Bob42 friend who is looking into the historical preservation of it. Where exactly is the vessel located right now? If you could post recent pics, including the inside, it would be much appreciated. Before we do anything regarding the acquisition, we need to find out what the renovation and moving costs are. I have an "in" with a reputable shipyard that does restoration. With current pics, I can get an estimate and go from there. I'm looking at coming down there in about a month. Any info on location and current ownership would be helpful. My email is skydancer506@gmail.com if you need to send anything via email to me.

snagel
07-19-2011, 19:31
It's located at Cricket Creek Marina. This is South of Branson right on the MO/Ark border. I do have some pics of the boat from 2008 at www.midwestmuckdiving.shutterfly.com (http://www.midwestmuckdiving.shutterfly.com) scroll down the left side to find the album. There are some interior pics and I doubt much has changed, but I don't know.

Snagel

skdvr
07-20-2011, 07:17
I'm the Bob42 friend who is looking into the historical preservation of it. Where exactly is the vessel located right now? If you could post recent pics, including the inside, it would be much appreciated. Before we do anything regarding the acquisition, we need to find out what the renovation and moving costs are. I have an "in" with a reputable shipyard that does restoration. With current pics, I can get an estimate and go from there. I'm looking at coming down there in about a month. Any info on location and current ownership would be helpful. My email is skydancer506@gmail.com if you need to send anything via email to me.

Here are the two pics I took of the outside when I was down there last week.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll34/pebalsamo/IMG_6463.jpg

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll34/pebalsamo/IMG_6465.jpg

I am not down there right now, but if I can get back down there before you make it down I'd be happy to take some pics and/or video of the inside for you.

And I appologize, but I said that it was at the Cricket Creek Marina and it is NOT. It is at the Long Creek Marina. I cannot find a website for the Marina but here is their yellow pages listing.
Gage's Long Creek Marina Ridgedale, MO, 65739 - YP.com (http://www.yellowpages.com/ridgedale-mo/mip/gages-long-creek-marina-4752604)

Phil

skdvr
07-20-2011, 07:20
Here is a link to a map that shows the Marina.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=long+creek+marina&hl=en&ll=36.519846,-93.30195&spn=0.024453,0.045276&sll=38.784063,-90.414734&sspn=0.758975,1.448822&radius=15000&t=h&z=15

Phil

Nemrod
08-02-2011, 09:15
I recently dove the sunken "Zeb" and found it to be in an increasingly deteriorated condition even since my last dive there two years ago. I did not make my annual TR dive last summer due to my broken femur thanks to some friendly, wouldn't hurt a thing pittbulls. The redneck engineering of the "vessel" (used loosely) has failed to stand up to even the mild conditions of a homemade lake bottom. The cheap paneling is falling down, one of the fake stacks is down and due to low viz I was unable to locate the other???? I cannot recommend penetration any longer as I am not sure the path is still open, I turned around. I did not take my cameras as overall viz was simply too poor to make any useful photos.

I really wish that they would sink that other POC y'all call the Zeb in some more useful location on the lake as the Indian Creek inlet is simply a poor location as it seems to have always reliably poor-er viz than some other places on (under) the lake.

Broncocrazy
08-05-2011, 22:31
To sink the real Zeb/Hannah would be a travesty. It would then only give pleasure to a selfish few who have the ability and money to dive down to see it. This boat should be restored as a testament to the skills of the craftsmen from the past. I have fond memories of riding in the Hannah Kildahl on Lake Michigan as a kid .My dad's cousin ,Spencer Knutson was the pilot and we toured the Chicago lake front and watched the Blue Angels perform . One of the jets snuck up on us from behind our backs and blew across the Hannah and made me just about jump out of my shoes.

Bob42
08-06-2011, 07:01
The General was never meant o be a "boat" it was a mooring.... Thats all the rest was for show on land.... Yep the Zeb is in rough shape... to call it a POC is your right. I have never dove, but have met some nice guys here that just wanted to hear stories and see pics from the family of the builder of the real Zeb. If she ends up needing to be sunk so be it..... but in my own little selfish way now I hope it gets sunk in a place you can not reach..... I will continue to post pics and I am still working on finding the photos of the General....BTW when was paneling ever meant to stand up to water after20 years under?

Nemrod
08-06-2011, 21:52
If she ends up needing to be sunk so be it..... but in my own little selfish way now I hope it gets sunk in a place you can not reach....

Then it will need to be sunk on Mars. It will make an excellent dive site if appropriately located, if not then it will only be reached by a very few, like me, who have the ability and equipment to do so. Talk about selfish. I doubt it will be sunk or restored, to do either would take money. Most likely it will just rot in place, a shame not to put it to some use.

As to the other vessel, mooring or whatever it is, again to reiterate, to the actual divers who read this thread, be very careful in penetrating as there is definitely something down blocking the path I took the last time I dove it. It appeared to be a piece of wood or paneling or perhaps part of the ceiling. Whatever it was was difficult to determine and I became disoriented trying to get around it and so retreated using my safety line. I could be wrong in that the viz was especially poor and it is possible I took a wrong turn and was not in the correct path or at least the route I generally take through it. So beware and take appropriate precautions if you intend to enter the wreckage and use a durable safety line.

N

Bob42
08-07-2011, 15:42
Sorry, But to have someing your hame built by hand called a POC is kind of hard to take. If you have been reading you have seen my feelings on this boat. I have also asked if she is to be sunk I would like to be informed prior to be on hand.That is not selfish if is family pride

Bob42
08-07-2011, 15:43
9723This is the General

Broncocrazy
08-07-2011, 17:30
Who is Nimrod to decide if the Hannah should be sunk ? This is a decision of the boat's owners and if they have been keeping it this long I assume they don't want to sink it. Go look for Little Toot the tugboat to sink and dive for. I'll personally send you a rubber ducky to sink .

Flatliner
08-07-2011, 17:43
This has been a really nice thread and has been very intersting to follow for a long time. Can we keep it that way?

snagel
08-08-2011, 19:50
Hey Bob...THANKS for the Pic of The General.

Snagel

SteveC
08-08-2011, 23:08
That’s a good picture. It definitely looks like what I remember when I dove her a couple years ago. But are we sure she is just a mooring. Certainly looks more like a boat.

fire diver
08-09-2011, 09:14
To all you people bitching about sunken boats... This is a SCUBA forum! DUH! We like to dive and see cool things when we dive. A piece of crap rotting boat on the surface is an eyesore. Sink the same boat, and it's an awesome dive site that. On the surface, people look at it in digust. As a dive site, dive can't wait to dive it every time, and take and post pics of it.

Boats last MUCH MUCH longer underwater than floating on the surface.

Bob42
10-01-2011, 05:48
I understand that... and the allure a dive must have....I am comeing down there wuth my children around Thanksgiving, for themm to see a part of their family history atleast 1 more time...... I believe what my family had told me was that it was just a barge built to look the way it does. I will see if I can find more pics from different angles

snagel
10-01-2011, 08:21
Hey Bob, thanks again for your efforts, information, and pics. Love to hear the history of the Zeb/Hannah...keep in coming.

Do you have any more pics of the General? Since as of right now the General is actually what is sunk and divable.

Snagel

bottomdweller
10-01-2011, 19:47
Just dived the Zeb/General or what ever it is today. That pic totally looks like the boat/structure we saw today.
Vis was poor 5-7 maybe 10 ft in places, but an interesting dive for sure.
Temps 71 at surface, 60 degrees at 80ft.

t-wood
10-01-2011, 23:27
Ok so i had to join just to see the photos and join in on this. I have wanted to dive what is apparently the General. The Zeb is still on the surface. My question is. Was the General sunk by the Corps of Engineers? I thought i read that is was sunk by the owner for insurance money. But if it were just a mooring that wouldnt make sense. I am curious about other sunken boats at table rock. Was the house boat between points 6 and 7 intentionally sunk? When i dive there i see alot of beer cans and things people were just trying to get rid of. So i always figured their owners just wanted them gone.

snagel
10-02-2011, 10:01
You're touching on the issue that I've been trying to figure out for some time now....how did the Zeb/General get to the bottom? I've heard several stories, but haven't been able to confirm anything. We just recently was able to really clear up the fact that it isn't actually the Zeb. The latest story was posted by Bottomdweller in another Zeb Thread. He linked a blog from 2007 that said it was intentionally sunk as a dive attraction.

You said you read that it was sunk for insurance reasons...haven't heard that one. Do you have a reference, I'd love to read more about it. I once had a newspaper article about how the Zeb/General got to where it is, but my computer crashed and I lost it. Anyway, it was a interview with an older gentleman talking about it and he commented that he had heard two stories and couldn't confirm either. One story was that it broke loose from it's mooring in a storm and floated across the lake and finally sunk in its current location. I've never seen the story printed anywhere else and have never confirmed this. The other story I've heard is that ultimately the COE took over responsibility for the ship and intentionally sunk the vessel in it's current location for several reasons - get rid of it and to make a fish haven. This seems to me to be probably the most accurate, but one thing that bothers me about this story is that after diving the ship it doesn't appear to have been cleaned up much to be sunk. If the intention was simply for a fish haven I can see not removing items that a diver might get entrapped in. Also, I'm pretty sure the engines are still on the ship. I've never seen this, but others have penetrated and talk about the engines. This makes me wonder if the oil and fuel was drained...who knows. In the past, I've tried to contact the COE and ask about the history of the Zeb/General, but as of yet haven't gotten any response.

Regarding other boats sunk in TR. There are several small boats off Jakes Island and I've heard of one off Duck island (never seen this one). They are really just small runabout boats. I've heard about the houseboat the reference, but never dove it. I don't know any history of this.

Snagel

bottomdweller
10-03-2011, 13:44
A little more info I found while searching for the General Pike:

8. 1990: The General Zebulan Pike, an old excursion boat, sunk in January near Indian Point on Table Rock Lake. It was raised by the Corps of Engineers and re-sunk on February 2nd, in the Jacques Creek area to form a fish spawning shelter there.

Here is the link to the Branson timeline??? Jason Wyatt- Branson, Missouri, Table Rock Lake and Surrounding Areas Timeline (http://www.jasonwyatt.com/branson_timeline.htm)