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rumblefish
06-20-2008, 07:41
I was just surfing around on Firefox 3 checking out the new "awesome bar" which is by the way, just awesome and found some new scuba sites. Anyway, I happened upon this little gem. Another brand new cert that PADI will sell you.

Surface Marker PADI Specialty (http://www.scubaherald.com/news/118/ARTICLE/1376/2007-08-07.html)

That's right folks...You you too can now become an SMB Diver, excuse me , a certified SMB Diver...Now you can become certified to use an SMB while you dive!!!!

Has PADI no shame? The only thing that tops this one is when they offered a specialty cert for the hydro-optix mask.

reactive
06-20-2008, 07:48
Has PADI no shame?
No. I've heard they've got a bridge they can sell you too.

Vercingetorix
06-20-2008, 07:48
I noted the article is dated 7 August 2007. Therefore, I'm certain you can find an SMB-certified instructor to teach you the intricacies of SMB deployment.:smiley36:

//I anticipate this thread quickly devolving into yet another PADI-bashing or PADI-vs-NAUI. :smilie40:

mitsuguy
06-20-2008, 08:04
I don't necessarily think it's PADI themselves specifically... Evidently, PADI allows for instructors to make up their own specialties... Not sure if you have to submit them for review or anything, but, obviously, some instructor out there felt that SMB deployal was a skill that needed a specialty... :)

Vercingetorix
06-20-2008, 08:12
I can see that training would be helpful. I think it is the "specialty", with adjunct costs, that is the concern.

chinacat46
06-20-2008, 08:13
It is a distinctive specialty and as mitsuguy pointed out it wasn't made by PADI but by an instructor. Of course PADI did have to approve an outline of it. In Yap you can get a distinctive specialty on Manta Rays and I've also heard of a shark diving specialty. So it's really the shop selling it to you.

scubasamurai
06-20-2008, 08:21
you gotta give padi credit for thinking of everything for marketing. i mean yes i am padi certified ( no bashing, at least we have more than 6 guys running the joint that actually met on a regular basis not only at dema) but marketing sells. you don't have to sign up for the course like all the rest. not supporting or defending it, just giving credit about how they get the word out. still it is rather funny i think they should develop a spec course for using your regulator!!!! just kidding

Vercingetorix
06-20-2008, 08:38
In Yap you can get a distinctive specialty on Manta Rays and I've also heard of a shark diving specialty.Not a bad idea, really. If the courses can provide in-depth knowledge, rather than a cursory introduction, to raise awareness and help the diver appreciate these creatures, then GREAT. For me then, "don't need certification, just give me the education." So, yes, I'd pay for these if I was to have the opportunity to dive with them.

scubasamurai
06-20-2008, 08:41
don't forget the speigel grove specialty certifcation as well in key largo. that one i would pay for the cool card!!!!

cgvmer
06-20-2008, 10:34
Is there a list of ALL specialties offered by PADI? I know in Florida there is an instructor that offers a vegetarian hunter specialty

Charles R
06-20-2008, 10:43
Simply put all agencies all shops are there to make money. This is how I see this particular one coming about. An Instucter has all of his students that read Scuba Toys Forums asking when we do my boat dive cert can you show me how to Deploy an SMB? or when we do my AOW are you going to teach me to Deploy a SMB? Instucter sees demand for learning to Deploy SMB writes it up and summits to PADI. This is not a bad thing I just feel maybe they should think to themselves maybe I should teach people how to deploy an SMB during my open water course since this is a very valuable skill that could save someones life.

chinacat46
06-20-2008, 13:14
Is there a list of ALL specialties offered by PADI? I know in Florida there is an instructor that offers a vegetarian hunter specialty

The answer to your question is yes and no. They do have list of all the PADI defined specialties but not the distinctive specialties.

Geoff_T
06-20-2008, 13:30
I have had at least one shop try to sell me an aquarium diver specialty. But seriously....

in_cavediver
06-20-2008, 13:44
I have had at least one shop try to sell me an aquarium diver specialty. But seriously....

Actually of all of them, that one could be useful. I recall reading the procedures/equipment involved in the volunteer divers stuff at Shedd Aquarium and it was pretty detailed in the how's and why's. With such a small ecosystem in the tank, you impact is magnified. Think of different dive methods - surface supplied - No BC to standard scuba. Then add all of the cleaning and decontamination stuff to ensure you don't spread or infect tanks. Even more if you are expected to do interpretive shows.

Could be a good specialty

matt151617
06-20-2008, 13:45
I know the next one: Gear Specialist: Hose Replacement.

obrules15
06-20-2008, 15:38
I must admit thought that the first time I tried to deploy my SMB was quite embarrasing. I hadn't practiced out of the water 'cause I figured it would be easy.

chris408
06-20-2008, 16:37
With PADI creating new specialties, I hope they are able to provide the knowledge, experience and add-value for the diver taking the class. And of course, it all comes with a price.

I don't think a separate SMB specialty is needed. They could easily includ it in AOW or in Boat Diver.

They will probably create one for using a knife or line-cutting device.

crgjpg
06-20-2008, 17:02
My LDS is offering a computer/multilevel diving PADI distinctive specialty. I dont know the details of it but thought it could be a good thing. I would not want to pay very much for it though.

chinacat46
06-20-2008, 17:51
With PADI creating new specialties, I hope they are able to provide the knowledge, experience and add-value for the diver taking the class. And of course, it all comes with a price.

I don't think a separate SMB specialty is needed. They could easily includ it in AOW or in Boat Diver.

They will probably create one for using a knife or line-cutting device.

It's usually an instructor or LDS that creates a distinctive specialty not PADI. PADI just approves it or not.

Splitlip
06-20-2008, 18:17
I think, deploying a DSMB is very important skill and one of the most difficult to master.

Let's see a show of hands. How many people here have ever shot a buoy?
How many think they are proficient?

I have shot them. Learned by watching and experimentation. Am I proficient? I would say no.

Don't know that it would warrant a specialty, but it surely does not warrant the guffaws. Should be part of AOW I would say.

Geoff_T
06-20-2008, 22:32
I have had at least one shop try to sell me an aquarium diver specialty. But seriously....

Actually of all of them, that one could be useful. I recall reading the procedures/equipment involved in the volunteer divers stuff at Shedd Aquarium and it was pretty detailed in the how's and why's. With such a small ecosystem in the tank, you impact is magnified. Think of different dive methods - surface supplied - No BC to standard scuba. Then add all of the cleaning and decontamination stuff to ensure you don't spread or infect tanks. Even more if you are expected to do interpretive shows.

Could be a good specialty


True however since I would imagine that each aquarium would have its own procedures tailored to its setup. That it would make much of what you could learn very specific to one location. That said there are definate things to learn there. I would just think that any professionaly run aquarium would also make you undergo their own training before you could clean the walls or feed the fish.

oddbod
06-21-2008, 03:20
A savings plan:smiley36:, unless it is to save up for your next course. :smiley19:
Put Another Dollar In

comet24
06-21-2008, 06:19
I have had at least one shop try to sell me an aquarium diver specialty. But seriously....

You can get that diving in the Baltimore Aquarium. I have done the dives as a safety diver a few times. All the students really like the dives and walk away with big smiles on their faces. While the cert may not be what your looking for the dives that go with it are those once in a lifetime type dives.

comet24
06-21-2008, 06:24
I have had at least one shop try to sell me an aquarium diver specialty. But seriously....

Actually of all of them, that one could be useful. I recall reading the procedures/equipment involved in the volunteer divers stuff at Shedd Aquarium and it was pretty detailed in the how's and why's. With such a small ecosystem in the tank, you impact is magnified. Think of different dive methods - surface supplied - No BC to standard scuba. Then add all of the cleaning and decontamination stuff to ensure you don't spread or infect tanks. Even more if you are expected to do interpretive shows.

Could be a good specialty


True however since I would imagine that each aquarium would have its own procedures tailored to its setup. That it would make much of what you could learn very specific to one location. That said there are definate things to learn there. I would just think that any professionaly run aquarium would also make you undergo their own training before you could clean the walls or feed the fish.

I would agree that any aquarium will require many hours of in house training. Most make you work with someone and observe before you are turned loose in addition to other training and test.

Look at it this way. It's not about the card. The card is nice but the Aquarium Diver is all about getting to dive in the aquarium. While anything you see there you could likely see in the ocean and I have. For most near an aquarium that offers this the aquarium is a short drive from home and the ocean is a long plan ride.

Just another way to look at it.

Vercingetorix
06-21-2008, 06:50
I think, deploying a DSMB is very important skill and one of the most difficult to master.

Don't know that it would warrant a specialty, but it surely does not warrant the guffaws. Should be part of AOW I would say.
Agreed. I've never deployed a DSMB (not even from the surface, that is, SMB) It really should be taught, practiced, and evaluated in the AOW course.

buddhasummer
06-21-2008, 12:03
if its been said already sorry, havent had the chance to read the whole thread, but aside form the "lets make more money" (Put Another Dollar In) I think its probably a good thing tho given the number of questions posted on this and other forums on "How to...".

Vercingetorix
06-21-2008, 12:28
I understand PADI is developing a specialty to properly execute the Warhammer Maneuver. Perhaps...it's just a rumor.

Mtrewyn
06-21-2008, 13:10
I think it should be taught, in the AOW or boat like has been stated, I am good at figuring things out, and have tried to figure this out watched the videos and all... I really could not get it till an instructor friend showed me at depth, Specialty no, but taught yes

chinacat46
06-21-2008, 13:33
I teach in the deep diver specialty but AOW or the boat would also work.

Splitlip
06-21-2008, 13:43
or the drift specialty

DallasMarineBio
06-21-2008, 15:31
Holy crap!!! I just realized I've been doing night dives for years without a C-card, I could have been killed!

in_cavediver
06-21-2008, 20:18
I have had at least one shop try to sell me an aquarium diver specialty. But seriously....

Actually of all of them, that one could be useful. I recall reading the procedures/equipment involved in the volunteer divers stuff at Shedd Aquarium and it was pretty detailed in the how's and why's. With such a small ecosystem in the tank, you impact is magnified. Think of different dive methods - surface supplied - No BC to standard scuba. Then add all of the cleaning and decontamination stuff to ensure you don't spread or infect tanks. Even more if you are expected to do interpretive shows.

Could be a good specialty


True however since I would imagine that each aquarium would have its own procedures tailored to its setup. That it would make much of what you could learn very specific to one location. That said there are definate things to learn there. I would just think that any professionaly run aquarium would also make you undergo their own training before you could clean the walls or feed the fish.

Yes, but think of how cool it would be to have a Shedd Aquarium Diver card (or insert favorite aquarium). Kind of a recognition for the training etc put in for doing that type of volunteer work.

longtailbda
06-22-2008, 05:52
No there isn't anything they won't sell; but its up to you as to weather you take it. For some people it may be worth it.

CamaroChick
06-30-2008, 09:51
I hear ya! I recently paid PADI $60 for the Deep Diver certification (plus the cost of the dive of course). I learned nothing new, and was only taken to 90 feet. I'd gone deeper on earlier dives before I took this class. I only did it because the dive op would not let us dive the two wrecks (in 110 feet) without it.

I was scanning through the list of "adventure dives" PADI offers to see which other dives I would do for AOW. I saw Boat Diver on there and had to laugh. Um, all of my dives have been from a boat except for my OW cert dives. So PADI, can I test out of that one. Come on people...

Grizbear98
06-30-2008, 10:24
I'm working on my AOW through PADI and picked up my boat diver and fish ID specialties just for the heck of it while completing it. Not sure what good they will do me, maybe I can throw them on a resume or something.

texdiveguy
06-30-2008, 10:31
I'm working on my AOW through PADI and picked up my boat diver and fish ID specialties just for the heck of it while completing it. Not sure what good they will do me, maybe I can throw them on a resume or something.

The boat diver training if done correctly for a newer diver is of value. :)

The fish id badge is a waste IMO.

The OP's find on the SMB spec. badge is a silly/badge......the general SMB training is good as I feel most recreational divers carrying one and a spool/line have little clue or experience in deploying one.

RikRaeder
06-30-2008, 17:36
Oh wow! Thanks for the link! I've been wanting to get a card like this one.

Vercingetorix
06-30-2008, 20:51
Hey, quit slapping PADI. I paid good money and spent a lot of time for the following Specialty Certification. To earn it, the student is required to:

1. Mix, blind-folded, a Margarita, Pina Colada, Strawberry Daiquiri

2. Choose a tequila based upon color, clarity, smell, taste

3. Drink 2 different margaritas from five different bars in the local area within 10 miles of the student's primary residence and describe the qualities of each. The margaritas must be consumed within 90 minutes. Then drive home.

4. Enter a biker bar with no fewer than ten denizens and order a Strawberry Daiquiri followed by an Appletini with an extra twist. Student must solo into the dive.

5. Memorize, and sing, in aforementioned biker bar, Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville

oddbod
07-01-2008, 07:22
Hey, quit slapping PADI. I paid good money and spent a lot of time for the following Specialty Certification. To earn it, the student is required to:

1. Mix, blind-folded, a Margarita, Pina Colada, Strawberry Daiquiri

2. Choose a tequila based upon color, clarity, smell, taste

3. Drink 2 different margaritas from five different bars in the local area within 10 miles of the student's primary residence and describe the qualities of each. The margaritas must be consumed within 90 minutes. Then drive home.

4. Enter a biker bar with no fewer than ten denizens and order a Strawberry Daiquiri followed by an Appletini with an extra twist. Student must solo into the dive.

5. Memorize, and sing, in aforementioned biker bar, Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville

I swore I'd never do another PADI course, but this one 's for me:drunk:

RikRaeder
07-01-2008, 08:46
..I saw Boat Diver on there and had to laugh. Um, all of my dives have been from a boat except for my OW cert dives....

Ah but however would you know your gunwale from your gundeck if not for the Boat Diver Specialty? (unless of course you're a Pirates of the Carribean fan, or something)
What if the Captain or Mate (that's one of the ship sailing men) told you to make fast the focs'le to the transome or you'd be payin' the gunners' daughter? Hmmm? You'd be sorry you missed that course then, wouldn't you? (I think that's on page six, but I could be wrong)

mike_s
07-01-2008, 09:08
What is scary to believe is that specialities like PADI SMB Diver and even the PADI GolfBall Diver will count towards their "PADI Master Diver" cert.


Yes, there is a shop that sells the PADI Golf Ball Diver Seciality.

see http://www.mds-scuba.com/edu/golfball.htm



Personally, I'm holding out for PADI Skydiver (http://www.padiskydiver.com/)

Vercingetorix
07-01-2008, 10:53
What if the Captain or Mate (that's one of the ship sailing men) told you to make fast the focs'le to the transome or you'd be payin' the gunners' daughter? Hmmm? You'd be sorry you missed that course then, wouldn't you? (I think that's on page six, but I could be wrong)Arrrgh...t'would be difficult, matie. The focsile (forecastle) is at the bow, the tramsom at the rear. I used to race yachts b'for takin' to the pirate's life...

oddbod
07-01-2008, 21:56
..I saw Boat Diver on there and had to laugh. Um, all of my dives have been from a boat except for my OW cert dives....

Ah but however would you know your gunwale from your gundeck if not for the Boat Diver Specialty? (unless of course you're a Pirates of the Carribean fan, or something)
What if the Captain or Mate (that's one of the ship sailing men) told you to make fast the focs'le to the transome or you'd be payin' the gunners' daughter? Hmmm? You'd be sorry you missed that course then, wouldn't you? (I think that's on page six, but I could be wrong)

Funny thing about the Boat Diver Specialty they apparently only teach you about the boat they have got, Ive seen people who have done it in RIBS who cant do giant strides and others who have done it on large boats that can't do a backward roll, know nothing of fin-friendly ladders, how to get back into a dingy/inflatable or how and when to take of a weightbelt and hand it up to a deck crew and yet swear they know all about it because they've done the course.:smiley29:
Does the Golf Ball one tell you to wear a helmet?

dive10killer
07-01-2008, 21:58
How about the "PADI Underwater BB Stacking" Cert.
That would be a tough one!

Bryanmc
07-01-2008, 22:55
How about a PADI Scuba Forum Participant specialty?

Geoff_T
07-02-2008, 00:20
What is scary to believe is that specialities like PADI SMB Diver and even the PADI GolfBall Diver will count towards their "PADI Master Diver" cert.


Yes, there is a shop that sells the PADI Golf Ball Diver Seciality.

see http://www.mds-scuba.com/edu/golfball.htm



Personally, I'm holding out for PADI Skydiver (http://www.padiskydiver.com/)


Yeah I seccond this and third it. If they are going to insist on offering everything under the sun, than they need to do what the boy scouts do and make certian specialties (ie. Merit Badges) Required while alloting others as optional. Otherwise in my opinion there is little value to their dive master certifacation, and I am a padi diver.

P.S. This isnt about the agency it is just about standards. I have recently in the last 2 or 3 years met several dm's and assistant Instructers who didn't even have mastery of simple skills like bouyancy, or deep diveing. Ended up as insta buddy with one for a 110' dive and asked about profile assuming that we would be following rule of thirds and was told that there was no reason to plan for that much extra air. I suppose that its a good thing that she was a heavy breather and I still had 1200 left at the end but still it left me with a sour taste when I saw where her gauges were.

RikRaeder
07-02-2008, 06:23
[quote=Vercingetorix;194201Arrrgh...t'would be difficult, matie. The focsile (forecastle) is at the bow, the tramsom at the rear. I used to race yachts b'for takin' to the pirate's life...[/quote]

Well, I certainly didn't get YOU with that one, did I? ;)

So then what is it to pay the gunner's daughter?

CamaroChick
07-02-2008, 07:38
How about a PADI Scuba Forum Participant specialty?

:smilie39::smilie39: Good one!

Grizbear98
07-02-2008, 07:49
::sarcasm:: oh darn you have to be advanced to earn the golfball diver specialty :( ::/sarcasm::

Vercingetorix
07-02-2008, 07:55
So then what is it to pay the gunner's daughter?Aye, lad. T'is also referred as "kissin' the gunner's daughter."" Tied to the barrel of a cannon whilst they fire 4 or 5 rounds.

Left me ears ringing, that one did.

reactive
07-02-2008, 08:47
So then what is it to pay the gunner's daughter?Aye, lad. T'is also referred as "kissin' the gunner's daughter."" Tied to the barrel of a cannon whilst they fire 4 or 5 rounds.

Left me ears ringing, that one did.



Gunner's daughter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunner%27s_daughter) (also "kiss" or "marry the gunner's daughter"), an expression derived from the British naval tradition of bending a young sailor over a ship's gun to suffer a severe spanking

Vercingetorix
07-02-2008, 08:51
Maybe multiple meanings:
the "gunner's daughter" is being tied to the barrel of the cannon while they fire it four or five times (http://www.shf.org.au/JCraig/Chanty.html)

DiveSooner
07-02-2008, 10:33
How about a PADI Scuba Forum Participant specialty?

:smilie39::smilie39: Good one!


Don't be giving PADI and ideas. :smiley29:

RikRaeder
07-02-2008, 19:39
Well there you go, folks. So what does it mean in the British Navy when the Captain says: "Cabin Boy, come below and...polish my boots."

There's one to look out for ;)

chinacat46
07-03-2008, 08:32
Since they have a boat specialty maybe they should add one for shore diving.

LunarFear
07-17-2008, 01:53
Don't laugh to hard about this course. I know divers, beginners and divemasters who don't even know what SMB is. Once informed they also "don't care about useless crap". If they see it as a specialty then at least they will take notice. After all "It only matters if you can get a card".

Personally I feel that Padi specialties are like Xbox Live Gamer Points They don't do anything for you but I got to have them all.

I am waiting to get my Padi post launch, in transit torpedo repair card in the mail.

rumblefish
07-17-2008, 07:32
Since they have a boat specialty maybe they should add one for shore diving.


In my search of the net, I have found a shore diving specialty as well as a coastal and river diving specialty. I assume that these specialties were probably custom tailored to a specific location though I'm not sure. I won't name agencies as I don't want to inflame a post that was originally said tongue in cheek.