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ecloyes
08-07-2007, 22:41
I was thinking about buying a new regulator soon and was wondering what everyone thought was the best regulator to buy?

If you have a favorite regulator please tell me!

Thanks for ur time!!!

ScubaToys Larry
08-07-2007, 22:44
Wow... a bit broad. Let's get a bit of info from you so we can narrow this down. What kind of diving do you do? Cold? Deep? or just basic warm recreational diving?

Do you like the adjustment feature? Swivel? Do you care if it's piston or diaphragm... or don't know the difference and don't care? Do you have a budget you'd like to stay in? And for that budget, do you need just a new 1st and second stage, or an octo and gauges... and maybe computer?

With some of that info - I can tell you what I would choose for your combination of scenarios.

If money is not a huge object.. .for me, the Oceanic Delta IV with DVT... very, very sweet - will work in any conditions, sealed, swivel, adjustable... awesome reg. http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=OceanicDeltaIVReg

thesmoothdome
08-07-2007, 23:05
Want my opinion? One of the best breathing regs out there has to be the Poseidon Odin. http://scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=OdinJetstream . I dove one for 4 years and only sold it when I took a 10 year hiatus from diving.

It can be a little difficult to find people to service it locally, so you might want to check into that.

Judestudio
08-07-2007, 23:06
Yea, it is a bit broad.

For me, Oceanic Delta IV and Zeagle Flathead VI are right at the top of my list.

Black-Gorrilla
08-07-2007, 23:54
i like Mares... no reason other than i own a V16 and love it... i guess.
if you want to do cold water... mares caters to that as well.
I've heard alot of good things about scubapro regs (mk25 and mk17) specifically... but i hear the have poor customer service.
Atomic makes good stuff... and has the swivel for luxury (on certain models)
so it's up to what you're gonna spend... and what you're gonna do with it.

cummings66
08-08-2007, 07:58
I've used many regulators, mostly Sherwood and Apeks. The DS4 and XTX50 is my favorite regulator, it's so easy breathing that you never think about anything other than diving. I like the Oceanic stuff as well, good solid regulator and a company that backs the product beyond anybodies expectations.

Still, Apeks is my favorite.

nferra2
08-08-2007, 08:47
What would the difference be between a solid $200 reg, $400 reg, and $600 reg?

ScubaToys Larry
08-08-2007, 08:52
The main difference would be what features.. like adjustable, sealed, swivel, etc and actual performance... Meaning how easy they are to inhale and exhale. And if looking at deeper depths, the "high performance" regs are preferred as they will not have their performance drop off when the pressure increases at depth.

That's kind of a rough idea.

If looking sub 200... go with the Tusa RS 130 (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=TusaRS-130) - adjustable, great breather etc.

If you want higher performance - go up to a Zeagle Envoy Deluxe (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=EnvoyDeluxe), or all the way up to a Zeagle Flathead (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=Zeagle_Flathead_VI)or a Oceanic FDX (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=OceanicDeltaIVReg).

creggur
08-08-2007, 09:51
For me I just don't see how you can beat the Zeagle Envoy Deluxe for value. Perfect breathing machine scores in Scuba Diving Magazine, and great reviews from the testers.

Great reputation for customer service from Zeagle, and with your ST Forum discount, and $10.00 gift certificate you could have one for under $320.00.. Others may disagree, but that's a lot of regulator for the money!!

http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=EnvoyDeluxe

http://www.zeagle.com/index.php?src=gendocs&link=Envoy%20Deluxe&category=Regulators

dutch552
08-08-2007, 13:31
I am definitely liking the Oceanic GT3/CDX5. Balanced, adjustable, sealed first stage and can be had new with a warranty for less than $200 without the new DVT feature. I've been diving one for 6 months and love the thing.

WaterRat
08-08-2007, 15:31
I realy like my Zeagle DS-V's and my Apeks DS4. Great breathing regs and a good price point.

Ron

torrey
08-08-2007, 16:46
What does it mean to have a "sealed" 1st stage vs. non-sealed?

TxHockeyGuy
08-08-2007, 17:15
What does it mean to have a "sealed" 1st stage vs. non-sealed?

It means the water never comes in direct contact with the internal workings of the first stage. You typically want a sealed first stage when you are diving in very cold temperatures so the water can't get in there and freeze. Note you don't have to be in freezing waters for this to happen. Because you are moving air from a high pressure source to a lower pressure source it causes a cooling effect so in general any diving under 50F this can be a concern.

creggur
08-08-2007, 20:51
I was told (erroniously I assume) by a guy at a LDS that all diaphragm style first stages are sealed.. Now this guy is a service tech, and I don't know if he was just trying to really simplify the concept for me, or if he didn't really understand either. I was specifically talking about Zeagle regs, and said that "the Envoy is a sealed 1st stage, any diaphram regulator is sealed"

I didn't argue, because truly I didn't have a clue, but had researched the regs and read on Zeagle's web site that the Envoy is not environmentally sealed... So does anybody have a good illustration of how a sealed, diaphram regulator works? I found piston and regular diaphram illustrations on Wiki, but couldn't find anything about sealed 1st stages...Need pictures as I am a visual learner...

Ended up going with the Envoy Deluxe anyway, Florida diver, cold water wimp!!

skdvr
08-08-2007, 21:06
I have a Sherwood Maximus that I love. It is the only reg that I have dove with besides rentals, but I could see no reason for anything else.

Phil

cummings66
08-08-2007, 22:25
There's a lot of good regulators out there, stay away from no names and you'll find most are quite satisfactory.

When you dive with a regulator you want to test out you'll find almost all of them do fine up near the surface, it's down deeper where they weed out the regulators.

All of my regulators have been below 100 feet, all of them breathe fine. However, there is a noticeable difference between my Sherwoods and the Apeks regulators. Blizzard vs XTX50.

My Apeks is the primary and the Blizzard is the secondary. I trust them both.

THT98
08-08-2007, 22:26
I use the Scubapro MK25/S600 and love it! It breathes easily, performs well in all conditions (cold, etc.) and is backed with a really good warranty. As long as you bring it in each year and pay the labor, parts are free. I spend about $50 per year on the service, and I'm warrantied for life. Many, many of the dive professionals I dive with use Scubapro and all of them are very happy with their choices. You might pay a little more, but in the end it is completely worth it.

TommyB
08-08-2007, 22:34
I was told (erroniously I assume) by a guy at a LDS that all diaphragm style first stages are sealed.. Now this guy is a service tech, and I don't know if he was just trying to really simplify the concept for me, or if he didn't really understand either. I was specifically talking about Zeagle regs, and said that "the Envoy is a sealed 1st stage, any diaphram regulator is sealed"

I didn't argue, because truly I didn't have a clue, but had researched the regs and read on Zeagle's web site that the Envoy is not environmentally sealed... So does anybody have a good illustration of how a sealed, diaphram regulator works? I found piston and regular diaphram illustrations on Wiki, but couldn't find anything about sealed 1st stages...Need pictures as I am a visual learner...

Ended up going with the Envoy Deluxe anyway, Florida diver, cold water wimp!!

Here's some interactive stuff

http://www.atomicaquatics.com/interactive3/regfeatures.html
That's for the 2nd stage, I'm sure they have some stuff on the 1st.

brandon
08-09-2007, 02:44
It's really hard to recommend a regulator without knowing where in the world you enjoy diving, or may dive in the future.

Zeagle and Oceanic are probably two of the easiest to buy online, and the Scubatoys staff could help direct you to what model would work best for the environment you're diving in.

I use a Zeagle Flathead and love it. Great performing reg and it'll handle diving anywhere in the world. Bought it from Scubatoys too at a great price, and it's hard to beat their service department. Top notch all the way.

-B

deepdiver47
08-09-2007, 07:33
The main difference would be what features.. like adjustable, sealed, swivel, etc and actual performance... Meaning how easy they are to inhale and exhale. And if looking at deeper depths, the "high performance" regs are preferred as they will not have their performance drop off when the pressure increases at depth.

That's kind of a rough idea.

If looking sub 200... go with the Tusa RS 130 (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=TusaRS-130) - adjustable, great breather etc.

If you want higher performance - go up to a Zeagle Envoy Deluxe (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=EnvoyDeluxe), or all the way up to a Zeagle Flathead (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=Zeagle_Flathead_VI)or a Oceanic FDX (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=OceanicDeltaIVReg).


If you are talking Zeagle, don't forget about the 50D

BSea
08-09-2007, 08:06
I was told (erroniously I assume) by a guy at a LDS that all diaphragm style first stages are sealed.. Now this guy is a service tech, and I don't know if he was just trying to really simplify the concept for me, or if he didn't really understand either. I was specifically talking about Zeagle regs, and said that "the Envoy is a sealed 1st stage, any diaphram regulator is sealed"

I didn't argue, because truly I didn't have a clue, but had researched the regs and read on Zeagle's web site that the Envoy is not environmentally sealed... So does anybody have a good illustration of how a sealed, diaphram regulator works? I found piston and regular diaphram illustrations on Wiki, but couldn't find anything about sealed 1st stages...Need pictures as I am a visual learner...

Ended up going with the Envoy Deluxe anyway, Florida diver, cold water wimp!!
I don't have any pictures, but if anyone has some schematics of the DS4 or the Legend, then it will show how it's sealed. But you are right, not all diaphram regulators are sealed. Most of the conshelf series regulators by Aqua Lung are not sealed. They do have sealed versions, but they aren't all sealed.

Off the top of my head, I can't think of a more modern reg that is diaphram & not sealed. But I'm not a tech, and I'm only familiar with a few series of regs.

creggur
08-09-2007, 08:34
Here is the pick of a regular diaphragm from Wiki... I guess I don't understand how a regulator is sealed, it's got to get the ambient pressure from somewhere..

BSea
08-09-2007, 16:16
Here is the pick of a regular diaphragm from Wiki... I guess I don't understand how a regulator is sealed, it's got to get the ambient pressure from somewhere..
The ones I've seen like the apeks & the legend have an outer diaphram. That equalizes the pressure on the inner diaphram. This is the diaphram in your inustrtation.

I'm no engineer, but that's how they work. Then the inner spring & diaphram stay sealed.

namabiru
08-10-2007, 16:25
I am an Aqualung fan, personally. I currently have an Aqualung Titan, which is commonly used for a rental reg. I do like it a lot.

The one reg I used one time and didn't particularly care for was the Mares Rebel. It's inexpensive, and I must say it breathed somewhat like an octo, not a reg. Not so smooth.

Note that Oceanic has their 'buy a reg, get an octo' deal on. Larry let slip to another poster that they could perhaps conveniently forget to ship an order from before the expiration date if you got them on the horn. Perhaps call them and discuss this. After all, the deal is still listed on ST.

I tried to get something that would serve versatile needs until I get more experience for my first reg.