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Sasha_K
06-25-2008, 12:28
Being a junior diver, I was very confused with all the talk here regarding BP&W. In my beginner class they never mentioned it, so I decided to do a little search. On this forum there isn't a good, comprehensive description of what the thing exactly is (for long time I thought it is something you just add to your current setup).

For a good andunbiased overview go to Backplate and wing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backplate_and_wing)

to learn more. It certainly helped me.

Martin2
06-25-2008, 14:00
This is really good information--thanks

Charles R
06-25-2008, 15:05
Good site thanks.

longtailbda
06-25-2008, 17:53
Great description and site keep up the good work.

cummings66
06-26-2008, 09:29
I was tempted to edit the page to add the popular brands out there and links to their webpages. Other than that the site is fairly good, I think better pictures of the plates and wings separated would be nice.

CompuDude
06-26-2008, 13:50
Backplates and harnesses:
http://www.h2ogeek.com/divegear/Halcyon_backplate_harness_300.jpg

http://www.h2ogeek.com/divegear/DiveRite-basicharnessplate.jpg

Single tank wing:
http://www.h2ogeek.com/divegear/OxyMachVWing.jpg

Double tank wing:
http://www.h2ogeek.com/divegear/OxyCheqVertex360-sm.jpg

STA (Single Tank Adapter):
http://www.h2ogeek.com/divegear/Halcyon_sta20001.2.jpg

Common Acronyms you'll find on this site (and others):
Scuba Acronyms (http://www.h2ogeek.com/acronyms.html)

Any questions? :D

hooligan
06-26-2008, 18:23
Nice work CompuDude!


Any questions? :D

Once quick question.... Where do babies come from?;)

crpntr133
06-26-2008, 18:42
Backplates and harnesses:




Single tank wing:


Double tank wing:


STA (Single Tank Adapter):


Common Acronyms you'll find on this site (and others):
Scuba Acronyms (http://www.h2ogeek.com/acronyms.html)

Any questions? :D

Of course those aren't the only brands that are available. Some might thinks so but most know better.

CompuDude
06-26-2008, 20:46
Of course those aren't the only brands that are available. Some might thinks so but most know better.

They're example photos, dude, not a comprehensive listing of brands. I was addressing Cummings66's wish for better/clear photos of an un-assembled rig. I don't see much point to posting photos of every brand out there, since there's little significant variation.

Hooligan, ask your girlfriend, and if you're lucky, she'll show you. ;)

hooligan
06-26-2008, 20:53
Hooligan, ask your girlfriend, and if you're lucky, she'll show you. ;)

If I had a girlfriend, I think my wife would probably be pretty upset.;)

Splitlip
06-26-2008, 22:05
Hi.
Thanks for the pics. Just wondering what is the difference between the 2 strappy things and metal back pack things? Besides the "H's" I mean. I've seen prices on those things, and the "H" seems to very expensive to stamp on the metal and stitch on the strap.


Backplates and harnesses:
http://www.h2ogeek.com/divegear/Halcyon_backplate_harness_300.jpg

http://www.h2ogeek.com/divegear/DiveRite-basicharnessplate.jpg

Single tank wing:
http://www.h2ogeek.com/divegear/OxyMachVWing.jpg

Double tank wing:
http://www.h2ogeek.com/divegear/OxyCheqVertex360-sm.jpg

STA (Single Tank Adapter):
http://www.h2ogeek.com/divegear/Halcyon_sta20001.2.jpg

Common Acronyms you'll find on this site (and others):
Scuba Acronyms (http://www.h2ogeek.com/acronyms.html)

Any questions? :D

CompuDude
06-26-2008, 23:51
Hi.
Thanks for the pics. Just wondering what is the difference between the 2 strappy things and metal back pack things? Besides the "H's" I mean. I've seen prices on those things, and the "H" seems to very expensive to stamp on the metal and stitch on the strap.

The fit and finish on the one with the H's is better, and it has a storage pack available that's designed to hold a lift bag, etc in the small of your bag... the non-H one does not, that I'm aware of.

The prices tend to be pretty close together when you buy them used, however. ;)

FWIW, I have 3 Halcyon plates: two steel (dubs/singles) and one aluminum (for travel). Two have H's on the straps, because that's how they came when I bought them used, and one has black webbing, for the same reason.

I think the most I paid for any of the three was $125, the least was $60. I sold my Dive Rite plate (purchased new, unfortunately, but a long time ago) for the same price I paid for the used H plate that replaced it, but the H plate came with the MC pack that I wanted, so I think I came out ahead. :smiley20:

Sasha_K
06-27-2008, 00:23
compudude, you should edit the page on Wikipedia and maybe add more pictures - wikipedia needs people like you!

plot
07-05-2008, 19:32
I've tried an DiveRight and found deepseasupply to be a much more comfortable backplate. Havn't tried H...

The most noticable thing about the bp/w setup is there's a steel (or aluminum) plate between the wing and the diver. So when you strap on the harness, it holds that plate against you and it stays put, all the inflation and deflation of the wing happens behind the plate so you never feel it. Compare that to normal jacket style BCD's (there's a few exceptions, look for "back inflate" jacket style BC's), where when you inflate or deflate you feel compressing on your body or getting really loose becuase the air bladders encompass pretty much your entire torsoe.

ianr33
07-05-2008, 19:48
FWIW, I have 3 Halcyon plates: two steel (dubs/singles) and one aluminum (for travel). Two have H's on the straps, because that's how they came when I bought them used, and one has black webbing, for the same reason.


Its pretty easy to fix the H's with a black permanent marker :smiley2:

plot
07-05-2008, 23:16
FWIW, I have 3 Halcyon plates: two steel (dubs/singles) and one aluminum (for travel). Two have H's on the straps, because that's how they came when I bought them used, and one has black webbing, for the same reason.


Its pretty easy to fix the H's with a black permanent marker :smiley2:

:smiley36:

i wasnt gonna send the thread that way. :D

Rileybri
07-05-2008, 23:40
Anyone got any tips on where to look for package deals on BP/W setups??

Vercingetorix
07-05-2008, 23:47
Anyone got any tips on where to look for package deals on BP/W setups??Depends upon what you mean by "deal". GolemGear (http://www.golemgear.com/) has a package for about $530, which includes, plate (AL or SS), 35# wing (tough as leather and nearly impossible to puncture or cut), metal cam-bands, all harness webbing (Hog harness), and a tech-style knife.

Every now and then, the have a sale: $380 for the rig. Contact Jakob at GG to determine when the next sale is. The wings are guaranteed for life, I believe. Excellent customer service as well.

plot
07-05-2008, 23:55
Anyone got any tips on where to look for package deals on BP/W setups??

i'm a big fan of deepseasupply, you can order directly from their site www.deepseasupply.com (http://www.deepseasupply.com)

go to products --> complete rig, then go through the configurator and it'll give you a package price.

for a single tank settup you'll probably want a steel backplate with a single tank wing with 20lbs of lift (LCD 20), and either harness will work.

Rileybri
07-05-2008, 23:57
Anyone got any tips on where to look for package deals on BP/W setups??Depends upon what you mean by "deal". GolemGear (http://www.golemgear.com/) has a package for about $530, which includes, plate (AL or SS), 35# wing (tough as leather and nearly impossible to puncture or cut), metal cam-bands, all harness webbing (Hog harness), and a tech-style knife.

Every now and then, the have a sale: $380 for the rig. Contact Jakob at GG to determine when the next sale is. The wings are guaranteed for life, I believe. Excellent customer service as well.

Ya I was just looking at them. pretty sweet looking rig. got an email for Jacob? jacob@golemgear.com? BTW do you ever sleep? looks like the do Oqycheq pkg's as well.

Vercingetorix
07-06-2008, 07:27
Ya I was just looking at them. pretty sweet looking rig. I bought the GG rig with the AL plate. Very solidly built.
BTW do you ever sleep?Sleep is over-rated.

CompuDude
07-08-2008, 12:29
Don't forget to call ScubaToys if you're looking for a full bp/w package. You never know what they might do...

plot
07-08-2008, 18:17
Don't forget to call ScubaToys if you're looking for a full bp/w package. You never know what they might do...


If you get larry he'll try to talk you out of it for some unknown reason. :smiley2: