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wmspdi
07-15-2008, 22:38
I have a UK Light Canon and I am wondering if there is an LED light (other than maybe a canister) than can match the light output of the UK Light Canon with a similar beam spread. While very powerful, and true to color, the HID bulbs are just not as reliable as the LEDs. I am looking for options. Thanks.

mitsuguy
07-15-2008, 22:42
I have a UK Light Canon and I am wondering if there is an LED light (other than maybe a canister) than can match the light output of the UK Light Canon with a similar beam spread. While very powerful, and true to color, the HID bulbs are just not as reliable as the LEDs. I am looking for options. Thanks.

sure is... DiveRite has one now... it's a 3 LED 500 lumen light...

SCUBA Diving Equipment for Technical, Wreck and Cave Diving: Dive Rite, Inc - Product Catalog - LED 500 Corded Flashlight (http://www.diverite.com/products/catalog/lights/lt6079-500)

and the exact same thing except self contained, no canister:

SCUBA Diving Equipment for Technical, Wreck and Cave Diving: Dive Rite, Inc - Product Catalog - LED 500 Flashlight (http://www.diverite.com/products/catalog/lights/lt6078led-500)

wmspdi
07-16-2008, 08:21
I saw that light in one of the scuba magazines this week but I wasn't aware that it was that bright. I like the idea that it can go from handheld to canister. Printed specs don't alway tell the whole story though. I know this just came out, but I wonder if anyone has had a chance to compare them side by side yet.

chinacat46
07-16-2008, 08:32
There are a few of them out there and some even brighter. Here is another link:

DeepOutdoors - Lighting (http://www.deepoutdoors.com/lighting)

BSea
07-16-2008, 08:52
Here's 1 by Salvo (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=SalvoRebel9WattLED) .

If you read everthing in this thread (http://forum.scubatoys.com/lights/11681-oxycheq-back-up-light-wow.html), I think you'll see that the Oxycheq Raider I light (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=OxyCheq_3_Watt_LED_Backup_Li ght) is very comparable to the light from a light cannon. And they are coming out with a mount that will allow it to be used hands free. It basically will mount to the top of the hand similar to a can light, but without the cord.

CompuDude
07-16-2008, 14:22
The OxyCheq lights are very good, and very handy, but with the current lineup (can't speak to the unreleased ones), they're being a little over-optimistic comparing the Raider I lights to a 10w HID. The focal spot is comparable, but the 10w HID is still putting out WAY more overall light.

There ARE led lights out there that can compete quite nicely with a 10w HID, but from what I've seen, there is nothing that is actually in the same price range as the light canon that can compete. (currently) Prices will come down eventually, but the sweet LED can lights that hold their own against 10w HID lights are, at this point, still a LOT more expensive than the light cannon. They're priced in can light territory.

buddhasummer
07-17-2008, 00:58
I own the LED 500 and before that the LED 300, i also have the optional cannister, the LED 500 is rated at 500 lumens, its significantly brighter thnn the LED 300 and my Solus back up. I like it. I wouldnt bother with the cannister part tho, it does make the torch smaller and you can mount it Goodman style if you want, but for the additional cost I find it a bit gimmicky, its like you can pretend you have a real cannister light even tho you dont, a cannister is such due to the battery requirements and this is not the case with the LED 500, that aside I like it, its very bright, small enough in its standard form to be easily used and the battery life, 8AAs, is significant its reported to be 12 hours at full power with up to 30 hours of usable, I cant confirm that but I have had more than 8 hours with no sign of dimming. The LEDs 300/500 have been around for a couple of years or more, I have never heard of any problems with the standard LED configuration. Id recommend one, nice price too.

buddhasummer
07-17-2008, 01:04
oh and if you decide to get one and want the cannister section PM me I have two, one brand new, Im sure we can work something out on the cheap.:smiley20:

mitsuguy
07-17-2008, 08:52
Here's 1 by Salvo (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=SalvoRebel9WattLED) .

If you read everthing in this thread (http://forum.scubatoys.com/lights/11681-oxycheq-back-up-light-wow.html), I think you'll see that the Oxycheq Raider I light (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=OxyCheq_3_Watt_LED_Backup_Li ght) is very comparable to the light from a light cannon. And they are coming out with a mount that will allow it to be used hands free. It basically will mount to the top of the hand similar to a can light, but without the cord.

I've seen the Raider in use... it's about a 200 lumen light - it's not all that bright - it is focused and does not spread out much at all, but does have a nice white hot spot in the middle - it is almost identical to my work light which is a 225 lumen Cree emitter... it is not comparable to a light cannon (got to use one this past weekend)

BSea
07-17-2008, 10:02
The OxyCheq lights are very good, and very handy, but with the current lineup (can't speak to the unreleased ones), they're being a little over-optimistic comparing the Raider I lights to a 10w HID. The focal spot is comparable, but the 10w HID is still putting out WAY more overall light.

There ARE led lights out there that can compete quite nicely with a 10w HID, but from what I've seen, there is nothing that is actually in the same price range as the light canon that can compete. (currently) Prices will come down eventually, but the sweet LED can lights that hold their own against 10w HID lights are, at this point, still a LOT more expensive than the light cannon. They're priced in can light territory.



Here's 1 by Salvo (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=SalvoRebel9WattLED) .

If you read everthing in this thread (http://forum.scubatoys.com/lights/11681-oxycheq-back-up-light-wow.html), I think you'll see that the Oxycheq Raider I light (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=OxyCheq_3_Watt_LED_Backup_Li ght) is very comparable to the light from a light cannon. And they are coming out with a mount that will allow it to be used hands free. It basically will mount to the top of the hand similar to a can light, but without the cord.

I've seen the Raider in use... it's about a 200 lumen light - it's not all that bright - it is focused and does not spread out much at all, but does have a nice white hot spot in the middle - it is almost identical to my work light which is a 225 lumen Cree emitter... it is not comparable to a light cannon (got to use one this past weekend)The last thing I want to do is have a Deco Stop, light meter, car salesman analysis, scientific debate over how close or not close the beams are. I based my comments on looking at the video. To me (and I'm only speaking for myself) the beams look comparable in the video. The OP of this thread was looking for options. I think this is a viable option.

mitsuguy
07-17-2008, 11:19
The OxyCheq lights are very good, and very handy, but with the current lineup (can't speak to the unreleased ones), they're being a little over-optimistic comparing the Raider I lights to a 10w HID. The focal spot is comparable, but the 10w HID is still putting out WAY more overall light.

There ARE led lights out there that can compete quite nicely with a 10w HID, but from what I've seen, there is nothing that is actually in the same price range as the light canon that can compete. (currently) Prices will come down eventually, but the sweet LED can lights that hold their own against 10w HID lights are, at this point, still a LOT more expensive than the light cannon. They're priced in can light territory.



Here's 1 by Salvo (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=SalvoRebel9WattLED) .

If you read everthing in this thread (http://forum.scubatoys.com/lights/11681-oxycheq-back-up-light-wow.html), I think you'll see that the Oxycheq Raider I light (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=OxyCheq_3_Watt_LED_Backup_Li ght) is very comparable to the light from a light cannon. And they are coming out with a mount that will allow it to be used hands free. It basically will mount to the top of the hand similar to a can light, but without the cord.

I've seen the Raider in use... it's about a 200 lumen light - it's not all that bright - it is focused and does not spread out much at all, but does have a nice white hot spot in the middle - it is almost identical to my work light which is a 225 lumen Cree emitter... it is not comparable to a light cannon (got to use one this past weekend)The last thing I want to do is have a Deco Stop, light meter, car salesman analysis, scientific debate over how close or not close the beams are. I based my comments on looking at the video. To me (and I'm only speaking for myself) the beams look comparable in the video. The OP of this thread was looking for options. I think this is a viable option.

in the video, possibly, but in real life, not so much... sorry... I was giving lumens as a reference, as it is a measurable (quantitative) analysis of beam intensity, and lights may look different to different people, thus a qualitative analysis of a light is hard to judge from one person to another and may differ from one user to another... most recently, I have used the Oxycheq raider, my own Princeton Miniwave LED, and a UK Light Cannon - the Raider is slightly brighter than my Miniwave, and gives a very focused, tight beam - my Miniwave spreads it's light out for more spread... the UK Light Cannon is brighter than the Raider AND has a spread closer to the Miniwave... exactly what you'd expect from a light that is somewhere around 500 lumen vs 200 lumen...

CompuDude
07-17-2008, 13:52
I agree with Mitsuguy, considering I actually own most of the lights in question.

The OxyCheq is a FANTASTIC backup light. It's also quite good for signaling, as it's focus is nice and tight, and the "hot spot" it throws is almost as good as a 10w HID. However, if you're in the market for a general LED light for night dives, to compare with a 10w HID light cannon, which is NOT very focused, and more like a floodlight, the OxyCheq falls very short. There just is not much spill outside the hot spot, so it's use as a "floodlight" for night dives is limited. On a 10w can light, there is a hot spot AND a decent amount of light spill in the surrounding area... it's just putting out a lot more light than the OxyCheq's tight beam does, and in more than one area.

You could use the Oxy backup light as a primary. People do. There are nice things about it (mostly size and signaling capability). But I sure wouldn't want to... especially if I was looking for the floodlight effect that a light cannon offers. The simple fact is, if you want to put out 10w HID levels of light, you need a 10w HID OR one of the newest LED can lights... which is FAR outside the price range under discussion.

buddhasummer
07-17-2008, 18:50
The OxyCheq lights are very good, and very handy, but with the current lineup (can't speak to the unreleased ones), they're being a little over-optimistic comparing the Raider I lights to a 10w HID. The focal spot is comparable, but the 10w HID is still putting out WAY more overall light.

There ARE led lights out there that can compete quite nicely with a 10w HID, but from what I've seen, there is nothing that is actually in the same price range as the light canon that can compete. (currently) Prices will come down eventually, but the sweet LED can lights that hold their own against 10w HID lights are, at this point, still a LOT more expensive than the light cannon. They're priced in can light territory.



Here's 1 by Salvo (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=SalvoRebel9WattLED) .

If you read everthing in this thread (http://forum.scubatoys.com/lights/11681-oxycheq-back-up-light-wow.html), I think you'll see that the Oxycheq Raider I light (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=OxyCheq_3_Watt_LED_Backup_Li ght) is very comparable to the light from a light cannon. And they are coming out with a mount that will allow it to be used hands free. It basically will mount to the top of the hand similar to a can light, but without the cord.

I've seen the Raider in use... it's about a 200 lumen light - it's not all that bright - it is focused and does not spread out much at all, but does have a nice white hot spot in the middle - it is almost identical to my work light which is a 225 lumen Cree emitter... it is not comparable to a light cannon (got to use one this past weekend)The last thing I want to do is have a Deco Stop, light meter, car salesman analysis, scientific debate over how close or not close the beams are. I based my comments on looking at the video. To me (and I'm only speaking for myself) the beams look comparable in the video. The OP of this thread was looking for options. I think this is a viable option.

here here:smiley32:, almost 20 pages of my dads bigger than yours, no he isnt, yes he is, no he isnt, yes he is....blah blah...for its size, intended use and price I think its a great light.

mitsuguy
07-17-2008, 22:53
here here:smiley32:, almost 20 pages of my dads bigger than yours, no he isnt, yes he is, no he isnt, yes he is....blah blah...for its size, intended use and price I think its a great light.

no, I totally agree, I've actually considered purchasing the Raider as a secondary light as well - they are well constructed, very bright, great little lights... but the original poster was wanting something comparable to a HID light cannon, which we have already discussed was not the same...