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moosicman
07-17-2008, 22:09
I went diving this past weekend and starting yesterday or the day before my ear has been kinda sore (like if you put your finger in it and apply pressure up or down, it feels the way sore muscles feel). Also, my jaw on that side feels like someone gave me a good hook punch and it feels a bit stressed and sore (or like I've been chewing gum for DAYS). I've never had an ear ache or infection so I don't know exactly what that feels like. This isn't at all an unbearable pain, just an irritation similar to the pain of sore muscles after a work out (which is why I haven't seen a doc, because it doesn't seem to be anything urgent at all). It seems that the ear canal is clear. I can equalize my ears without any pain and I am not stuffy or congested. I say all that to say that I am suppose to go on my final AOW check out dives on Saturday and want to know if there is any cause for alarm or for trip cancellation. Again, the pain is not sharp or great, just a sore stiffness along the ear and (I assume due to the location and sensation that my jaw feels the same way) ear canal leading to my sinuses. Thoughts and suggestions?? Could this possibly be cleared up quickly with some ear drops?:smiley20:

caroln
07-18-2008, 03:10
I would recommend calling the DAN medic and getting some expert advise. It's quick, free, and really not worth taking any chances.

Foo2
07-18-2008, 09:43
Sounds like swimmer's ear to me. I just had it a few weeks ago. Go to the dr. asap!

reactive
07-18-2008, 09:48
Go to the doctor. It may turn out to be nothing, but on the other hand (i hope this doesn't happen), it may turn out to get worse. Some antibiotic ear drops may be just what you need to get back in the water in a few days.

Grin
07-18-2008, 13:00
You really need to be careful about taking advise about your ears on the internet. That aside, I think it sounds like swimmers ear also. If you felt fine and had no clue about any ear issues at all for about 24 hours after diving, and then it started to act up, it is likely swimmers ear. It takes a day or two for it to act up. Swimmers ear is the outer ear (ear canal) tissue inflamed due to absorbing water. Refered to as Swimmers ear or a outer ear infection. Ear wax is natures way of protecting from this. I have one ear that gave me many years of trouble with swimmers ear, before I figured out how to deal with it. A DAN article, a few years ago, was very detailed about this subject and I used information I got out of that article and havn't had a case of swimmers ear since.
The article had a few different mixtures that were close to the same. Something like 1/2 alchohol and 1/2 vinegar. Or 1/3 of each and another 1/3 water. I now use the 1/2 and 1/2 mixture. I also do as the article stated, was a critical step. I fill my left ear canal with the 1/2 and 1/2 mix and lay on my side for exactly 5 minutes after a days diving. I have noticed on occassion that if I swim and don't do the proceedure, then a day later I feel a little issue starting up in there, I can use the mixture and it clears the issue up over night. It might even burn just a hair(nothing terrible) when you do it after the problem has shown itself.
The alchohol is the key ingredient that drys the ear canal tissue out. If you don't due it for 5 minutes, you are not drying deeply enough. The vinegar is to control the PH of the ear. To be honest I have no clue what PH is, but they state PH is a key to keeping the ear happy. That's why we have doctors and DAN, to figure that stuff out for people like me. My right ear has had no issues, ever, and I don't treat it at all.
I went to many ear docs that all gave me over the counter stuff that plain did not work. It really does pay to call DAN and get a doctors recomendation that understands diving issues. And if your not a DAN member, 1st you need to be. 2nd they will still recomend a dco for you anyway (I think).
If it is swimmers ear, you need to do the proceedure every time you swim or dive forever as preventative maintenance. At least within a a day or two of the diving. Two days after words, and you may already be feeling coming on. One day would be hard pressed to have a infection flame up that fast.
Just my uninformed non medical opinions.
Also remember sharks know when a animal is wounded and will take out the weak first. They can probably smell that infection and will come in and remove a weakened specimen from the food chain. :smilie39:

digitalman
07-18-2008, 14:11
I'd go see an ENT specialist to check things out, especially before diving again.

character157
07-18-2008, 15:03
I have had ear trouble after dives and the best thing I have found so far is to make the call and see a doc...Dan also works. Professional advice is a good way to go.

moosicman
07-18-2008, 15:54
Also remember sharks know when a animal is wounded and will take out the weak first. They can probably smell that infection and will come in and remove a weakened specimen from the food chain. :smilie39:

cute grin....cute

beperkins
10-16-2008, 12:16
I live or die by the 50/50 vinegar alcohol mixture, it does wonders for me.

ScubaDude
10-16-2008, 20:18
I'm a 50/50 man myself, but only for immediate use. I've never had a lag between the dive and the pain, so, I'm gonna go with the general consensus of getting it checked out professionally.

heydn62
10-17-2008, 10:58
I went diving this past weekend and starting yesterday or the day before my ear has been kinda sore (like if you put your finger in it and apply pressure up or down, it feels the way sore muscles feel). Also, my jaw on that side feels like someone gave me a good hook punch and it feels a bit stressed and sore (or like I've been chewing gum for DAYS). I've never had an ear ache or infection so I don't know exactly what that feels like. This isn't at all an unbearable pain, just an irritation similar to the pain of sore muscles after a work out (which is why I haven't seen a doc, because it doesn't seem to be anything urgent at all). It seems that the ear canal is clear. I can equalize my ears without any pain and I am not stuffy or congested. I say all that to say that I am suppose to go on my final AOW check out dives on Saturday and want to know if there is any cause for alarm or for trip cancellation. Again, the pain is not sharp or great, just a sore stiffness along the ear and (I assume due to the location and sensation that my jaw feels the same way) ear canal leading to my sinuses. Thoughts and suggestions?? Could this possibly be cleared up quickly with some ear drops?:smiley20:
I had the same problem a few months back, right after my training dives. I tried some self treatment, but two weeks later finally gave up and went to see the doctor. I had an ear infection. Antibiotics is what it took for me.

petronius
10-26-2008, 22:25
I think the post about not taking ear advice from the internet is spot on, but that said, I wonder if you're clenching your jaw to tightly on the reg? Also, are you drying your ears between or after dives with a finger or a q-tip? According to a thread I saw elsewhere (and this is now second-hand internet hearsay, so apply a grain of salt), the skin inside your ear is very tender after long soak, and easily injured - like wrinkly post-bath fingers...

Grizbear98
10-26-2008, 23:47
I had ear problems all summer long starting a month after my trip to Belize and went to 2 ENTs about it, it finally got fixed 3 weeks ago. Nobody could figure out what was wrong with me, I'd been on what I think was a placebo because of the way I was treated by the doctor and the way he had me use an antibiotic only when my ear itched or hurt, then I did have swimmer's ear pretty badly in both ears, and the second ENT noticed that my eardrums were retracted and that I possibly had mild barotrauma from not equalizing until it hurt and then 2 days later hoping on a plane yikes did that hurt! Moral of the story is go to a doctor that doesn't tell you that diving is evil and will kill you (oh this first doctor was a winner) and don't take forum advice on ears. (also never use q-tips)

bubbles
11-03-2008, 12:06
The 50/50 mix of rubbing alcholol and white distilled vinegar is a DAN recommended mix for avoiding swimmer's ear (an infection / irritation of the external ear canal) which is one of the most common ailments plaguing divers. I swear by it. However, the jaw pain you spoke of may be related to otitis media (middle ear infection). You should be seen by a doctor to determine which problem you have. I also use the Sahara Ear dryer and have had enormous success on multi-dive days avoiding ear infections.

mr_tabasco
11-03-2008, 12:14
I had the same jaw pain and it turned out to be a middle ear infection.

WaScubaDude
11-03-2008, 15:07
I did a bunch of diving in Cozumel and ended up with swimmers ear and sinus infection.

Dove lots since and have no further issues. Here's how.

Don't use q-tips or rough TP to clean your ears. They both can give micro scratches that may let in infection.

I drop a few drops of olive oil in each ear then drain prior to diving (keeps the water displaced and easy out after diving.)

I use the 50/50 ear beer mix suggested after each dive, drain well after 5 min.

If I have any indication of an ear/sinus problem I gargle with and swallow a mix of Apple Cider Vinegar and water. (nasty stuff) About 2oz in 8oz of water, but I believe the stronger you can handle the better and quicker it will work.

Went to see the Dr when I got home from Coz with my nasty infection he prescribed 3 different rounds of antibiotics, none seemed to work at all. The Apple Cider Vinegar started working 3 hours after trying it, five hours later I was up off the coach and partying like a rock star.

Good luck to all! Ear problems suck.

mr_tabasco
11-03-2008, 15:15
I did a bunch of diving in Cozumel and ended up with swimmers ear and sinus infection.

Dove lots since and have no further issues. Here's how.

Don't use q-tips or rough TP to clean your ears. They both can give micro scratches that may let in infection.

I drop a few drops of olive oil in each ear then drain prior to diving (keeps the water displaced and easy out after diving.)

I use the 50/50 ear beer mix suggested after each dive, drain well after 5 min.

If I have any indication of an ear/sinus problem I gargle with and swallow a mix of Apple Cider Vinegar and water. (nasty stuff) About 2oz in 8oz of water, but I believe the stronger you can handle the better and quicker it will work.

Went to see the Dr when I got home from Coz with my nasty infection he prescribed 3 different rounds of antibiotics, none seemed to work at all. The Apple Cider Vinegar started working 3 hours after trying it, five hours later I was up off the coach and partying like a rock star.

Good luck to all! Ear problems suck.

I have used the apple cider vinegar for stomach problems after returning from Mexico but haven't tried it for ears. I just drink it straight but how does drinking it work on your ears?

shawnwill36
11-04-2008, 16:22
i had some ear problems when i first started. i would say it was more of equalization problem. after dives i my nose would bleed and the next day i would have dried blood in my ears. other than that i have never had any problems. is this baratrauma?

Navy OnStar
11-04-2008, 16:28
I went diving this past weekend and starting yesterday or the day before my ear has been kinda sore (like if you put your finger in it and apply pressure up or down, it feels the way sore muscles feel). Also, my jaw on that side feels like someone gave me a good hook punch and it feels a bit stressed and sore (or like I've been chewing gum for DAYS). I've never had an ear ache or infection so I don't know exactly what that feels like. This isn't at all an unbearable pain, just an irritation similar to the pain of sore muscles after a work out (which is why I haven't seen a doc, because it doesn't seem to be anything urgent at all). It seems that the ear canal is clear. I can equalize my ears without any pain and I am not stuffy or congested. I say all that to say that I am suppose to go on my final AOW check out dives on Saturday and want to know if there is any cause for alarm or for trip cancellation. Again, the pain is not sharp or great, just a sore stiffness along the ear and (I assume due to the location and sensation that my jaw feels the same way) ear canal leading to my sinuses. Thoughts and suggestions?? Could this possibly be cleared up quickly with some ear drops?:smiley20:

This is 100% what I am feeling today. I have been feeling it since saturday. I went to the Doc and he said he saw a little fluid behind my eardrum but it didn't look bad. He gave me some antibiotics and decongestant.

Wetnurse28
11-06-2008, 01:03
This is an interesting topic. As a new diver myself I was having manyproblems with equalization, returning from a dive and getting bloody nose, have ear pain or deafness for 3 to 4 days after a dive.

ALL OF THAT WENT AWAY, when I became better at equalization. The more you equalize the less problems you have later.

I only have 22 dives under my belt. Now I rarely get the bloody nose after a dive, and there are no more ear issues

And I am not diving sick either. I can only imagine the reverse squeeze that would cause after popping pseudofed and having it wear off. LOL

shawnwill36
11-06-2008, 10:31
try eating sinus pills right after a dive. also sucking on an altoid while diving helps equalize

WaScubaDude
11-06-2008, 12:39
i had some ear problems when i first started. i would say it was more of equalization problem. after dives i my nose would bleed and the next day i would have dried blood in my ears. other than that i have never had any problems. is this baratrauma?

I think this can also be from mask squeeze. Had a DB who would come up with a nose bleed often. If you don't exhale a bit thru your nose on the way down, or if you push or copress the mask to your face at depth and ascend without equalizing the mask, you will likely end up with a bloody nose.

I think Baratrauma would refer to air expansion injuries and not the "suction" caused by your mask. At any rate, very slow descents and ascents while equilizing gently and frequently should do the trick. Else, decongestaints, but not with Nitrox.

WaScubaDude
11-06-2008, 12:49
I have used the apple cider vinegar for stomach problems after returning from Mexico but haven't tried it for ears. I just drink it straight but how does drinking it work on your ears?[/QUOTE]

I believe ACV has an Acid that helps clear the eustasion tubes. In all my pain for days I finally turned to online forums for help and saw Apple Cider Vinager mentioned several times. At that point I figured what the hill. Already did 3 rounds of antibiotics and a head CT. Found the bottle of ACV in the cabinet and three hours later I could feel and hear my eustasion tubes crackle as they cleared.

NativeTexan
06-22-2009, 20:28
I haven't been diving for a couple of years and then last weekend meet up with some friends for multiple dives over two days. The morning after I realized my ears had not cleared completely, but didn't think anything about it. Took some Advil & Sudafed and thought it would correct itself.

24 hours later my ears were completely plugged and that night I woke up with SEVER pain like a needle inserted in both ears right in front of the canal. Later that day my jaw swelled and I couldn't eat without pain.

A week, three doctor visits, and one round of antibotics and steroids I am still hurting! On my last docotor visit they cleaned our my ears with proxide solution and I felt much better after that.

Tonight I am going to try the 50/50 solution you guys suggest and hopefully I will wake up with clear ears! Hoping!

navyhmc
06-22-2009, 20:32
I haven't been diving for a couple of years and then last weekend meet up with some friends for multiple dives over two days. The morning after I realized my ears had not cleared completely, but didn't think anything about it. Took some Advil & Sudafed and thought it would correct itself.

24 hours later my ears were completely plugged and that night I woke up with SEVER pain like a needle inserted in both ears right in front of the canal. Later that day my jaw swelled and I couldn't eat without pain.

A week, three doctor visits, and one round of antibotics and steroids I am still hurting! On my last docotor visit they cleaned our my ears with proxide solution and I felt much better after that.

Tonight I am going to try the 50/50 solution you guys suggest and hopefully I will wake up with clear ears! Hoping!


I used to use a solution of equal parts alcohol, white vinegar and glycerin. I used to get medical grade glycerin from the local druggist.

Tassie Diver
06-23-2009, 18:30
The pain in the jaw and around the ear is referred pain from the ear infection. Anti-biotics may be the only way of clearing up the infection in a timely manner.

As a preventative, try the 50/50 mix. In Australia, it's available from the pharmacy in a convenient container for dispensing direct into the ear canal. I use it after every dive/swim.

Cheers

TD.

mouse
07-31-2009, 14:43
my second dive I had the same issue and went to the doctor and it ended up being a sinus infection in beginning stages and was put on a antibiotic. So you never know what could happen, but definitely nothing to turn your cheak about..