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DevilDiver
11-22-2008, 18:46
I picked up the Sea & Sea DX 1200H today from ST. I will shoot some test photos and post as soon as possible.

Link: SEA & SEA DX1200 HD Camera reviews and discounts, Sea & Sea (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=SeaAndSeaDX1200HD)

First impressions:
Camera-
Very small & light, large easy to read LCD, small buttons. Strait forward and easy to understand menu, lots of preset modes (including Sea & Sea mode for underwater). This camera would easily fit into a shirt pocket for topside use as well.

Housing-
Small but very sturdy feel, good latch, very light and fits nice in your hand . Camera fits very snug inside the housing. Has built in diffuser with attachment for a single fiber optic cable cleverly hidden on the outside under the Sea & Sea logo that can be moved into place. Buttons are arranged for easy access to the controls (might be a little small & close for operation with gloves). The housing has a ring around the lens port that can be removed to access a bayonet style mount for adding accessory lenses.

DevilDiver
11-23-2008, 11:02
OK, Here is the Camera and housing out of the box.....

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/3052528827_3004bbfacc.jpg

DevilDiver
11-23-2008, 11:10
Here are some shots in the Macro Mode.......

No flash, natural light with overhead room light on.

Macro with no optical zoom:

@ 5cm
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3052/3053368200_969d5086e0.jpg

@ 10cm
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3251/3052539757_3d9944ce71.jpg

@ 15cm
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3193/3052545769_4b94100602.jpg

@ 20cm
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/3052551793_5174e014ca.jpg

DevilDiver
11-23-2008, 11:35
Here are some shots in the Maco Mode using the optical zoom. This is the closest focused photo I was able get using 1x, 2x and 3x.

@ 20cm using 1x optical zoom
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3194/3053495254_de83e25b4d.jpg
Exposure:0.091 sec (1/11)
Aperture:f/3.846
Focal Length:13 mm
ISO Speed:110
Exposure Bias:0/100 EV



@ 35cm using 2x optical zoom
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3167/3052667355_d24f85ba79.jpg
Exposure:0.111 sec (1/9)
Aperture:f/4.564
Focal Length:17.1 mm
ISO Speed:110
Exposure Bias:0/100 EV

@ 45cm using 3x optical zoom
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3294/3053508654_41a1a8b637.jpg
Exposure:0.063 sec (1/16)
Aperture:f/5.265
Focal Length:21.2 mm
ISO Speed:490
Exposure Bias:0/100 EV

SynCitizen
11-23-2008, 13:43
I just picked up the same camera from ST as well.
My first impressions are;
Pros:
Very compact
Fast turn on times
Fast auto focus
Lots of preset modes
UW case appears very sturdy
Case buttons marked well but very small/close together
HD video = excellent
TV video = very good
8gb card compatible ( OMG lots of pics or well over an hour and a half of HD vid)
Battery recharge time is very quick

Cons:
Slow refresh for back to back pics (Possibly due to my failure to operate correctly)
Concerned about battery charge life.
Camera lens seems a little less than sturdy


Here a couple misc sample pics I took today using generic landscape and portrait modes.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/sinful%20intentionz/PIC_0290.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/sinful%20intentionz/PIC_0302.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/sinful%20intentionz/PIC_0306.jpg

WV Diver
11-23-2008, 13:58
Syn, your concern regarding battery life is something I had not originally thought about but it is indeed a concern. I would be interested to know how many pics, at full capacity (12megs) you get with a battery charge.

Devil, thanks for all your help regarding this particular model and all the advice along the way.

Looking forward to more experiments. I will watch this thread closely.

DevilDiver
11-23-2008, 20:23
Thanks for posting SynCitizen! Please post more photos and what you find with the camera when ever you can.:smiley20:

I will not have a chance to take any U/W pics with this camera but hopefully the topside photos will help people...........

DevilDiver
11-23-2008, 20:33
Here are some photos I got using different modes for comparison. Unfortunately it has been overcast all day so the lighting was not what I would have liked it to be....

Auto Mode Wide Angle
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3185/3054912146_62ed062899.jpg
Exposure:0.01 sec (1/101)
Aperture:f/2.837
Focal Length:7.6 mm
ISO Speed:100
Exposure Bias:0/100 EV

Sea & Sea Mode Wide Angle
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3293/3054898074_4c4b2cd947.jpg
Exposure:0.012 sec (1/82)
Aperture:f/2.837
Focal Length:7.6 mm
ISO Speed:100
Exposure Bias:231/100 EV

Portrait Mode With Flash
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3295/3054084461_69436682ee.jpg
Exposure:0.022 sec (1/45)
Aperture:f/2.837
Focal Length:7.6 mm
ISO Speed:100
Exposure Bias:0/100 EV

Auto Mode Macro
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3203/3054901250_9354532376.jpg
Exposure:0.029 sec (1/35)
Aperture:f/3.16
Focal Length:9.3 mm
ISO Speed:100
Exposure Bias:231/100 EV

Sea & Sea Mode Macro
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3033/3054905104_c061a82df5.jpg
Exposure:0.015 sec (1/66)
Aperture:f/2.837
Focal Length:7.6 mm
ISO Speed:100
Exposure Bias:0/100 EV

DevilDiver
11-23-2008, 20:51
Here are some landscape photos to give you an idea of the zoom capabilities......

Landscape Mode
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3182/3054088377_c7f6c9289d.jpg
Exposure:0.021 sec (1/48)
Aperture:f/7.149
Focal Length:7.6 mm
ISO Speed:100
Exposure Bias:0/100 EV

Landscpe Mode 2X zoom
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3150/3054095487_bf95f1c405.jpg
Exposure:0.005 sec (1/188)
Aperture:f/3.846
Focal Length:13 mm
ISO Speed:100
Exposure Bias:0/100 EV


Landscape Mode 3X zoom
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3219/3054925790_faff9f1f6f.jpg
Exposure:0.01 sec (1/101)
Aperture:f/4.564
Focal Length:17.1 mm
ISO Speed:100
Exposure Bias:0/100 EV

SynCitizen
11-23-2008, 21:04
DevilD what flash are you using or planning on using or would your recommend?

and where are you getting this info from?
Exposure:0.021 sec (1/48)
Aperture:f/7.149
Focal Length:7.6 mm
ISO Speed:100
Exposure Bias:0/100 EV


U/W pic testing will commence on dec. 3rd

DevilDiver
11-23-2008, 21:27
DevilD what flash are you using or planning on using or would your recommend?

and where are you getting this info from?
Exposure:0.021 sec (1/48)
Aperture:f/7.149
Focal Length:7.6 mm
ISO Speed:100
Exposure Bias:0/100 EV


U/W pic testing will be started on dec. 3rd



Cool, can't wait to see your U/W photos. Where are you going?

You have a lot of options on strobes, lots of good ones out there from $ to $$$.

Personally IMO I would go with the S&S YS27 strobe.
Sea & Sea YS27 DX Strobe reviews and discounts, Sea & Sea (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=YS27DX)

Great strobe for the price, manual control, fast recycle time, great on batteries.

The EXIF or Metadata is embedded in the digital photos, when you upload your photos to a program like Photoshop or a website like Flickr you should be able to open/access and then it is just simple cut & paste.

I like doing this for reference so if I like or don't like something I can try to repeat or make adjustments.

DevilDiver
11-25-2008, 10:33
Picture Quality and Digital Noise:

High definition CCD 1/1.72-inch primary color CCD with 12.19 effective megapixels

Photo shot in portrait made with flash at:
Focal Length:7.6 mm
ISO Speed:100

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3295/3054084461_69436682ee.jpg

Photo cropped 2X
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/3058389139_24b0cee80b.jpg

Photo cropped 4X
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3207/3058390945_edb08fab8a.jpg

Photo cropped 6X
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/3059229002_d83f66ee21.jpg

Picture quality remains acceptable after magnification at lower ISO speeds. Little evidence of digital noise, even with 12.1 mega pixels crammed onto a 1/1.72 sensor.

DevilDiver
11-25-2008, 11:00
Picture quality and digital noise:

Photo shot at:
ISO Speed:490

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3294/3053508654_41a1a8b637.jpg

Photo cropped X2- Picture is a little soft but still acceptable.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3152/3058452039_c740ef9043.jpg

Photo cropped X4- Digital noise apparent, photo quality affected
but could still be considered acceptable and/or corrected with editing program.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3142/3059291020_8344db9966.jpg

Photo cropped X6- Digital noise apparent, photo quality reduced to
unacceptable level other than "snapshot".
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3014/3059293178_4b01abb0da.jpg

Digital noise and photo quality are quite good at ISO speeds under 400 (Pretty much with all point & shoot cameras). If used with strobe this should not be an issue, possibly for wide angle at depth where lighting would be lower. (Foreground exposure is controlled by the strobe, background controlled by aperture & shutter speed) Photos in available light (without a strobe) situations could be affected more. (Pretty much with all point & shoot cameras)

The DX 1200HD preforms above par compared to other point & shoot cameras as far as similar models. The 12.1 megapixels can deliver good detail and quality with no issues when shot within expected limits.

teerlkay
11-25-2008, 12:19
thanks for the review - is it a ricoh camera?

DevilDiver
11-25-2008, 12:56
thanks for the review - is it a ricoh camera?

No. I am really not sure who the manufacture is, I have tried dpreview.com and other on-line sites trying to find a match without luck. I really wanted to locate to see what others might have posted about the camera.

Any help would be appreiciated......

I am actually a big fan of the Ricoh camera line. I believe they are some of the best street cameras on the market.

teerlkay
11-25-2008, 14:48
thanks for the review - is it a ricoh camera?

No. I am really not sure who the manufacture is, I have tried dpreview.com and other on-line sites trying to find a match without luck. I really wanted to locate to see what others might have posted about the camera.

Any help would be appreiciated......

I am actually a big fan of the Ricoh camera line. I believe they are some of the best street cameras on the market.

+1 also a fan of Ricoh - and Sea&Sea's last few were Ricoh's - hmmmm

Anybody?

DevilDiver
11-25-2008, 15:42
thanks for the review - is it a ricoh camera?

No. I am really not sure who the manufacture is, I have tried dpreview.com and other on-line sites trying to find a match without luck. I really wanted to locate to see what others might have posted about the camera.

Any help would be appreiciated......

I am actually a big fan of the Ricoh camera line. I believe they are some of the best street cameras on the market.

+1 also a fan of Ricoh - and Sea&Sea's last few were Ricoh's - hmmmm

Anybody?

True, the DX 2G being released spring of 09 will be using the Ricoh GX200 improving the RAW write time with a lager LCD including improvements dealing with the real time low light visibility issues. They have repositioned the fiber optic cable attachment to help with the DS-TTL with compatible strobes.
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The DX 1200HD is really an all together different camera (Ultra Compact). This camera is for beginning to intermediate U/W photographers. You have settings (Auto, Program, Portrait, Landscape, Sea & Sea) instead of manual controls.

The camera has a reasonably fast start-up time (approx 3 sec.) and almost non-existent (approx 1-2 sec) focus lag. This could be different in low light situations.

If you are starting out in U/W photography or just wanting to "keep it simple" above and below water then this would be a camera worth real consideration.

If you want to try your hand at U/W photography or have limited knowledge photography there really is no point purchasing a camera with full manual if you have no idea how to work it and end up keeping it in the Auto Mode anyway.

The U/W case for the DX 1200HD is impressive. Very compact and light weight and would be easily carried underwater or clipped off and out of the way. Could be packed into a carry-on for travel or stowed (protected) in a dive bag without taking up much room.

All in all, the DX 1200HD is a quality camera package. If you want a solid entry level to intermediate system that has available specific camera/housing add ons (wide angle, close up, macro diffuser, strobe connection) with out the guess work the DX 1200HD is worth a look.


** Please post any photos or opinions of the DX 1200HD. If anyone has a interest or questions it helps to have information from all sources.

WV Diver
11-28-2008, 18:19
Well, I did it. I just ordered this camera. Thanks DevilDiver for all your help along the way. This looks like a wonderful camera to get me started. Should have it next week.

WV Diver
12-08-2008, 12:43
Devil, your concern regarding the number of pictures per battery charge are nothing to worry about. I was able to take well over 100 pictures before the battery gave out.

When I have had some time to learn a little more about the camera and the pictures I am taking I will post some here for review.

Skuttle
12-08-2008, 13:20
Is it just me? I can't see anyone's pictures. Help! lol

SynCitizen
12-19-2008, 12:40
First time underwater with this camera.
Overall:
My photo skills obviously lack and the need for a ext strobe I can see is a must have, and next on my list.
Battery would pretty much die by the end of the second dive. Aprox. 50-80 photos (w/flash) plus 3-8 minutes of video. Battery life overall is acceptable but I would recommend keeping a spare handy.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/Diving/Cozumel/12-09-08/puntadalila005.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/Diving/Cozumel/12-06-08/palancarcaves014.jpg


http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/Diving/Cozumel/12-07-08/Picture177.jpg

Pro: With 12 megapixels you can enlarge and crop pictures down with ease and with very little loss of quality. Very capable above water camera.

Cons:
I was having some issues with getting perfect focus but that is probably more me than the camera. My biggest problem was fogging/condensation on the inside of the housing, even with using moisture packets. This seemed to occur most after diving 100'+ and coming up shallower.



Video:
Pro: came out pretty nice for the most part. The HD makes for some beautifully large viewing on the big screen TV.
Con: could really use some sort of image stabilization.

Video of Hammerhead at Martins memorial - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting (http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/Diving/Cozumel/?action=view&current=PIC_0495.flv)

Video of Black tip reef sharks - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting (http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/Diving/Cozumel/?action=view&current=blacktipsatpalancar.flv)


*The samples I am posting lose a large amount of the quality due to compression by photobucket. IRL they def look better with no pixelation, even at a very high zoom.

WV Diver
12-19-2008, 15:10
Winter Willows

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r218/Wizard41/PIC_0015.jpg

WV Diver
12-27-2008, 11:46
Calypso

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r218/Wizard41/PIC_0007.jpg
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r218/Wizard41/PIC_0007.jpg)

WV Diver
12-27-2008, 11:48
Dejavu - AKA D. J.

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r218/Wizard41/PIC_0054.jpg

WV Diver
12-27-2008, 11:49
Sun Flower

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r218/Wizard41/PIC_0013.jpg

WV Diver
12-27-2008, 11:51
Wizard

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r218/Wizard41/PIC_0045.jpg

WV Diver
12-27-2008, 11:53
Great little camera. I have been playing with it and I think I am figuring it out.

I need lots more photo ops to explore. I will be heading down to Florida in February to do some diving and I will get some underwater shots then.

sabbath999
12-28-2008, 17:18
Some nice shots, but I am not a big fan of the "date" being on.

WV Diver
12-28-2008, 17:27
Yeah I need to get that off of there.

mtnplayva
01-12-2009, 17:59
Were the underwater pictures taken in sea and sea mode without a strobe? I just got this camera for Xmas and took it to the pool this last weekend. All of my pictures are extremely dark. I tried close up, far away, macro mode and just about any other combo I could find but it didn't seem to make a difference. I'd like to know if there's something I did/didn't do before I go spend 600.00 more for a strobe. Thanks in advance!

SynCitizen
01-12-2009, 18:20
Were the underwater pictures taken in sea and sea mode without a strobe? I just got this camera for Xmas and took it to the pool this last weekend. All of my pictures are extremely dark. I tried close up, far away, macro mode and just about any other combo I could find but it didn't seem to make a difference. I'd like to know if there's something I did/didn't do before I go spend 600.00 more for a strobe. Thanks in advance!

Mine were taken in various modes with different settings and all without an external flash. I got varying degrees of success, there is a definite need for a strobe for the underwater shots IMO.

DevilDiver
01-12-2009, 23:30
Were the underwater pictures taken in sea and sea mode without a strobe? I just got this camera for Xmas and took it to the pool this last weekend. All of my pictures are extremely dark. I tried close up, far away, macro mode and just about any other combo I could find but it didn't seem to make a difference. I'd like to know if there's something I did/didn't do before I go spend 600.00 more for a strobe. Thanks in advance!

The Sea & Sea mode is really just a white balance setting that adds a little red back into the photo to compensate for the loss of color at depth. With the built in flash this will help at short distances and shallow depths.

If your photos are coming out dark there is another reason for it. What were the conditions and were you using the flash?

I would guess that a pool would be reasonably clear so you should get 3 ft from a subject and be able to tell the flash fired. Close ups and macro should come out fine with the built in flash, it would put out plenty of light for this type of photo.

mtnplayva
01-13-2009, 08:09
If your photos are coming out dark there is another reason for it. What were the conditions and were you using the flash?

I would guess that a pool would be reasonably clear so you should get 3 ft from a subject and be able to tell the flash fired. Close ups and macro should come out fine with the built in flash, it would put out plenty of light for this type of photo.

Of all the pictures I took, there's only one that is good and I have no idea what I did differently on that one since I was messing with all kinds of settings trying to get light in the picture and no blurriness. I was using the flash with the diffuser thing turn down. I never did try it with it up - would that have made a difference? The user manual made it sound like you'd get particles in the pictures.

I did a complete reset last night and then took a bunch of sample photos. They all look just like they should for the various modes except I couldn't test the underwater. We leave Sat for Grand Cayman so I either have to take my chances that the reset will help or go spend 700+ to get a strobe next day air.

Thanks for the help!

lund0485
01-13-2009, 08:18
What kind of flash memory did you end up putting in it?

mtnplayva
01-13-2009, 08:20
What kind of flash memory did you end up putting in it?
I am really new to this - I just used the built in flash...was I supposed to put something else in it?

DevilDiver
01-15-2009, 00:02
Of all the pictures I took, there's only one that is good and I have no idea what I did differently on that one since I was messing with all kinds of settings trying to get light in the picture and no blurriness. I was using the flash with the diffuser thing turn down. I never did try it with it up - would that have made a difference? The user manual made it sound like you'd get particles in the pictures.



Sorry, just got back in town........

Yes, leaving the diffuser down would make a difference and yes having it up could show up more backscatter (particles) in your photos.

First the darkness issue.
Just guessing here but I believe you said you were in a pool that was inside and most likely there was not a lot of light in the pool area plus being underwater and having the diffuser down would most likely lead to dark photos.

For your trip leave the diffuser up for photos where the subject is 2-5 ft from the camera. For photos 6 inches to 2 ft from the subject try both with the diffuser down and up and see witch one works out best. For panoramic or reef shots the flash will do you no good so it is best to have it off and try to take advantage of the natural light, this takes practice and changing some settings.

You will find it difficult to get well lit photos from more than 2-3 ft with out a strobe, just enjoy your vacation and take photos to remember what a great time you had.

Second the particles (Backscatter)

The camera's built in flash can and will cause backscatter. With the flash being so close to the camera's lens it will illuminate particles that are in the water column between your subject and the camera. There is not much that can be done about this other than adding a strobe or not using a flash.

I would suggest not to worry about this now and just try for this best photos you can and enjoy the trip. After you get back you can go through the pics and find things you believe you need to work on for the next time. Basically this is how photography works, always looking to change some thing or improve for the next opportunity.

If this does not make sense or you have questions PM me. I will be around the rest of the week.

Please post some pics when you get back and have fun.

ektess1
01-15-2009, 00:45
Work on one thing at a time. if you are constantly changing multiply thing at once u will never figure it out. Make it fun. Take the snap shop to preserve the memory. Work on one thing at a time to create the best pictures. If you change to much at once, you will newer know what created the image or lack there of.

mtnplayva
01-15-2009, 07:58
Thank you so much for the advice. I decided to not buy a strobe yet since I really don't know what kind I'd need or want. Figured I'd do like you suggest and just take pictures, writing down what I had the camera set at to see what works down there. The pool was an indoor pool - it seemed light enough but in reality probably wasn't. My husband is doing his OW cert dives so I wanted it to know how to use the camera "perfectly" to capture the moments. I think I'll just enjoy it and if it works out that I can get some good shots, then great but if not, at least I have the memory of seeing his excitement.

I'll post whatever I end up with :)

JoeADB
01-17-2009, 18:06
I took the plunge and bought the Islander package... DX1200HD camera, wide angle lens, DX YS 27DX strobe and awesome black travel case....

Charging right now...
Peace..

bostondivegirl
01-18-2009, 13:05
where did you get the islander package from? Does ST sell it?

DevilDiver
01-18-2009, 13:11
where did you get the islander package from? Does ST sell it?


Yes.......
SEA & SEA DX1200 HD Islander Package reviews and discounts, Sea & Sea (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=DX1200HDIslanderPackage)

ST will make a custom package for you as well. I would call in and ask for Joe or Joey and speak with them about what items you want and see what kind of deal they can give you.

JoeADB
01-18-2009, 16:04
Wish I knew who made the camera.. Seems to be a pretty good setup so far..

JoeADB
01-19-2009, 02:06
Do you all have any optimal settings for the camera..

JoeADB
01-19-2009, 02:45
What settings did you have for the underwater and above water shots? also, what settings did you use for video? I'm surprised at how little info there is on this camera on the net. I also have the DX8000, the 1200HD seems like a better camera overall i.e more compact, bigger MP etc.. but the 8000 I'm able to fine tune the DX8000 more. I'm hoping the HD video underwater looks good :)
Peace..






First time underwater with this camera.
Overall:
My photo skills obviously lack and the need for a ext strobe I can see is a must have, and next on my list.
Battery would pretty much die by the end of the second dive. Aprox. 50-80 photos (w/flash) plus 3-8 minutes of video. Battery life overall is acceptable but I would recommend keeping a spare handy.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/Diving/Cozumel/12-09-08/puntadalila005.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/Diving/Cozumel/12-06-08/palancarcaves014.jpg


http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/Diving/Cozumel/12-07-08/Picture177.jpg

Pro: With 12 megapixels you can enlarge and crop pictures down with ease and with very little loss of quality. Very capable above water camera.

Cons:
I was having some issues with getting perfect focus but that is probably more me than the camera. My biggest problem was fogging/condensation on the inside of the housing, even with using moisture packets. This seemed to occur most after diving 100'+ and coming up shallower.



Video:
Pro: came out pretty nice for the most part. The HD makes for some beautifully large viewing on the big screen TV.
Con: could really use some sort of image stabilization.

Video of Hammerhead at Martins memorial - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting (http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/Diving/Cozumel/?action=view&current=PIC_0495.flv)

Video of Black tip reef sharks - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting (http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/Diving/Cozumel/?action=view&current=blacktipsatpalancar.flv)


*The samples I am posting lose a large amount of the quality due to compression by photobucket. IRL they def look better with no pixelation, even at a very high zoom.

JoeADB
01-20-2009, 20:25
After a Ton of Digging looks like the DX 1200 HD is....

Ergo DS 1200HD | Digital Cameras | ERGO | | , (http://www.ergo.uk.com/shop/1013/575333.html)

Never heard of this company or camera...

Peace..

Quassi
03-24-2009, 09:21
Hey guys. I'm very interested in purchasing the Sea & Sea DX1200HD next month, as my first UW camera.

For the remainder of this year I will be trying it out in rockpools and probably snorkelling in summer as well.

I'm wondering whether the built-in flash is sufficient for UW rockpool photography.

Also, for a student as hard up as me, would a handheld UW torch be effective at shallow depths to reduce backscatter?

Cheers

Edit I - I begin dive training in September this year and will eventually be diving more regularly from 2010 onwards. I'm on the bottom rung of the marine biology ladder, if you will... :)

Edit II - Seen as I am mainly snorkelling/rockpooling for the next 6-8 months at least, I though a simply torch would be sufficient enough to light some awkward subjects underwater - maybe for a close-up shot lets say.

Like this example: Underwater Kinetics Mini Q40 eLED Plus Torch - Only £30.00 - Oxygene Cranleigh (http://shop.scuba.co.uk/364/Underwater-Kinetics-Mini-Q40-eLED-Plus-Torch-------------------------------------.html?referrer=Froogle)

OpieTaylor
04-14-2009, 08:11
I bought the DX1200HD based on the comments here...spent hours trying to get a good photo, just couldn't get a good pic. ST guys were amazing as expected. Replaced it with the DC1000 in a flash. Tested the DC1000 today...quality device. Thanks ST!!

WV Diver
04-14-2009, 14:27
So should I let these Lithium Ion batteries go completely dead before I recharge them or does it matter?

CompuDude
04-14-2009, 15:01
So should I let these Lithium Ion batteries go completely dead before I recharge them or does it matter?

Keep them charged. Top off as needed. There is no memory effect to worry about with LiIon, but letting them stay completely dead for too long can damage any rechargeable battery.

PhD4JC
04-17-2009, 10:31
Does the external flash use the battery?
If so, that would not help the number of shots per dive.

And isnt changing batteries on a dive boat a BAD idea???


First time underwater with this camera.
Overall:
My photo skills obviously lack and the need for a ext strobe I can see is a must have, and next on my list.
Battery would pretty much die by the end of the second dive. Aprox. 50-80 photos (w/flash) plus 3-8 minutes of video. Battery life overall is acceptable but I would recommend keeping a spare handy.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/Diving/Cozumel/12-09-08/puntadalila005.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/Diving/Cozumel/12-06-08/palancarcaves014.jpg


http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/Diving/Cozumel/12-07-08/Picture177.jpg

Pro: With 12 megapixels you can enlarge and crop pictures down with ease and with very little loss of quality. Very capable above water camera.

Cons:
I was having some issues with getting perfect focus but that is probably more me than the camera. My biggest problem was fogging/condensation on the inside of the housing, even with using moisture packets. This seemed to occur most after diving 100'+ and coming up shallower.



Video:
Pro: came out pretty nice for the most part. The HD makes for some beautifully large viewing on the big screen TV.
Con: could really use some sort of image stabilization.

Video of Hammerhead at Martins memorial - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting (http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/Diving/Cozumel/?action=view&current=PIC_0495.flv)

Video of Black tip reef sharks - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting (http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg53/syncitizen/Diving/Cozumel/?action=view&current=blacktipsatpalancar.flv)


*The samples I am posting lose a large amount of the quality due to compression by photobucket. IRL they def look better with no pixelation, even at a very high zoom.

CompuDude
04-17-2009, 15:35
Does the external flash use the battery?
If so, that would not help the number of shots per dive.

And isnt changing batteries on a dive boat a BAD idea???

Depends on the size of the boat and how rough the seas are. In perfectly flat water, you could get away with changing batteries in a row boat. In rougher seas, you'd need a fairly big boat with a large enclosed cabin, then it's no problem.

DevilDiver
05-12-2009, 10:16
Does the external flash use the battery?
If so, that would not help the number of shots per dive.

An external strobe will use it's own batteries, the cameras on-board flash will work off of the camera battery. With a camera like this the on-board flash will have to fire to get the external slave stobe to fire.

It has been awhile since I used this camera but some (do not remember if this one has the option) have the option to turn down the om-board flash where it does not fire at full power.

Black Pearl
06-06-2009, 01:10
Wish I knew who made the camera.. Seems to be a pretty good setup so far..
I found that this camera is made by Ergo from the Ukraine, I can't remember the web address but am sure you can do a search and find it easy enough, post some HD video, would love to see it, am considering buying one of these myself as soon as I do a little more research:smiley20:

WV Diver
06-06-2009, 07:04
Mine had to go back for repair. Twice while I was transferring pictures from the camera to the computer I experienced, afterward, that the camera screen was blank (white). While it seemed to be working and even taking pictures there was no display on the screen. The first time it happened I was able to use the software CD that came with the camera to do a repair and it fixed it right away. The second time the repair would not work.

I sent it back to Joe and he sent me his display model of their Sealife DC 800 to play with and use while mine is out. Sweet, thanks Joe!!

Anyway I have not gotten any word back about the condition of the camera as of this post.

lars
06-11-2009, 12:48
and neither can I.

DevilDiver
07-16-2009, 21:47
Not sure what happened, can't get them to link back so I am posting the link to the Flickr page.......

Missing test photos can be found here:
Test-Sea&Sea DX 1200HD - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/devildiver/sets/72157621456836391/)

Any suggestions to fix, I am open.

dawnvip
08-07-2009, 19:32
I bought this camera with housing, stay and one slave strobe after some considerable research. I'm a point and shoot kinda gal, new to underwater photography and so did not want a lot of monkey business with my first u/w setup.

I bought this camera three weeks ago, just prior to leaving for a dive vacation to Jamaica. I found the camera underwater usability excellent. Nice and easy, just the way I like it. If only the fish would co-operate! I was really meticulous with the seal for the housing and had no problems with usage down to 75 ft. A Dessicant packet inside the housing was a must in the warm Jamaican climate. My only complaint would be the battery life of the camera as it crapped out mid way through our third dive of the day and I had only taken about 60 photos.

The software included with the camera is great too, easy to use and made my OK first attempts look great.

For topside photos, the camera is OK, but I prefer my Canon point and shoot.

Let me know what you think...

DevilDiver
08-25-2009, 08:53
I think your photos are very good. You did not mention what strobe you were using but I don't see where you were getting much out of it. Were you having any issues with it?

As far as the battery three dive is not bad but 60 photos is on the low side. Do you have it set to shut off after a amount of time? You can set the review to 1 sec or shut it off completely, the LCD takes a lot of power. Don't waste power deleting photos while on a dive, do this at night or just save all of them until you can download, there might be a keeper that did not look so good on the LCD.

Over all these are great photos for the first time, a lot better than I did.

Playercraft
09-25-2009, 02:43
Hi all

I'm just about to buy an underwater camera. Ive been looking on the Dx-1200HD with u/w case and Canon G10 with wp-dc28 . The price of the two are almost the same.

Whichever camera i choose, ill also get the YS-17 package to get better light.

Which of the two should a beginner like me go for? I do want the best possible quality pictures:P, but hd video seems cool also..
I'm going to the red sea in a month and currently working in Singapore, so i can get a camera for a good price:).


Anyone got some advice for a noob!

thanks!

hoef
10-05-2009, 06:21
Hi, I recently bought a DX1200HD. I have been trying to operate it manually but with no succes. You're supposed to select the program mode in the menu but for some reason this is not working. I can see the program icon in the display but have no idea how adjust the settings manually.

Any suggestions?

DevilDiver
12-03-2009, 13:45
Hi, I recently bought a DX1200HD. I have been trying to operate it manually but with no succes. You're supposed to select the program mode in the menu but for some reason this is not working. I can see the program icon in the display but have no idea how adjust the settings manually.

Any suggestions?

The 1200HD does not offer manual control....

sonic_nc
01-17-2010, 05:11
Hey all, was mucking around with one of these the other day and couldn't figure out a way to get a histogram up when reviewing images. Help?

DevilDiver
01-17-2010, 09:08
It has been a while since I have handled one of the 1200HD's but usually you would press the display button multiple times until the histogram comes up. Should cycle through different screen options...

dijimeeks
02-19-2010, 02:15
The HD1200 does not seem to have an histogram. Pushing the display button on this model only cancel the playback mode. Histogram does not appear in the menus.

Nemrod
02-19-2010, 07:29
You might have to go into menu and turn it on, just a guess, why would an auto only camera have a histogram, what good would it do?

N

DevilDiver
02-20-2010, 07:59
Like I posted above, it has been a while since I have had a 1200HD in my hands. A histogram may not be a feature offered with this camera, as Nemrod said it is possible that you could find this option in the menu but it could be unlikely with this type of camera.

If a histogram were available for exposure review the only real adjustments available would be your external strobe power settings, this would effect the foreground exposure.

You could change shooting modes but I am not sure this would be a blanket solution for all situations.

The best option without the histogram is to simply review the photo on the LCD and make any preferred adjustments from there.

dijimeeks
02-21-2010, 22:47
:smiley25:

I have a wide angle lens for my DX1200HD case. Anybody know if the DX1G Lens Caddy will work for that lens? Any advise to protect, carry and install my lens underwater?

About the extra parts of arm that I received in the Islander package, anybody know where can I get extra parts to complete a second arm with what I got? I see a full arm kit to sell on the ScubaToy's site, but no separate parts.

Do I need a flashlight to focus?

Thanks for your precious advise guys!!

:smiley25:

DevilDiver
02-22-2010, 08:15
The DX 1G/2G lens caddy will not fit the 1200HD wide angle lens....

The wide angle lens for the 1200HD is the same lens used for the DX860. I do not believe that they ever offered a caddy for this lens. I would contact a U/W photo shop like Backscatter or Reef Photo to see if there would be a third party caddy option for this lens. This would depend on the bayonet configuration used for this lens/camera.


I can not see that they use part numbers but you should be able to order based on the part description from any Sea & Sea dealer.

*Ball Base: 80mm / 51g (3.2inch / 1.8oz)
This would be the part that connects to the base (tray) that would allow you to add the second arm set.

*Two Ball Joint sets: 80mm / 103g (3.2inch / 3.6oz)
These are the clamps that would allow you to attach the extra arm segments.

If you want/need additional arm segments you would have to decide witch lengths and configuration you needed to achieve your desired set up.
*Double Ball S + Grip S: 190mm / 120g (7.6inch / 4.2oz)
*Double Ball M + Grip M: 230mm / 150g (9.2inch / 5.2oz)
*Head SS: 156mm / 52g (6inch / 1.8oz)
*Head S: 186mm / 71g (7.4inch / 2.5oz)

Depending on the type of pictures you are shooting and the conditions a focus light could be a good idea. Definitely for low light, night dives and close up work.

A small focus light like the Fisheye mini should be sufficient for your needs.
FIX Mini LED Focus Light (http://www.fisheye-jp.com/english/fixminifocus/index.html)

You can use a small dive light as well (avoid lights with hot spots-soft broad beams should work better), there are numerous adapters available with a little research.
Strobe & Light Adapters : Reef Photo & Video!, The Underwater Photo Pros (http://reefphoto.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=135_97_35)

CanadianDiver
04-16-2010, 15:24
Hey; I am a long time diver, new to this board. I dive a lot and have a bunch of different PADI certifications along with diving for NatGeo from time to time for reef surveys and photography.

I just recently bought this camera for my Fiance who was baptized into the dive community. I fooled around with it and got some pretty good quality shots.

Is a good all around starter camera that can be used in various depths and waters to get some great shots.

Here are some of the photos I took... One and Two are examples of with or without the flash at a depth of 18m and took about 3ft from the subject

As you can see with the pic of me doing the survey you can get scatter from longer distances.

But up close IE the sea horse and the Sea Tunicate with the flash you can get some great shots...

DevilDiver
04-16-2010, 15:38
The Pygmy photo is probably the best picture I have seen taken with this camera u/w. Great job!!

What strobe are you using?

CanadianDiver
04-16-2010, 20:56
W/YS-17L Strobe

is decent

DevilDiver
04-28-2010, 08:13
W/YS-17L Strobe

is decent

I agree, especially for the price.

On the Pygmy, did you use any kind of filter or lens or was this done with just the macro setting? How close did you have to get?

I like the DOF, I would be surprised if the camera could achieve this on a auto setting. Either way it is a A+ photo.... :smiley32:

ScubaScar
05-09-2010, 15:09
I just had my first dive with the DX-1200...I am SO DISAPPOINTED...the fiber optic cord blocks the auto focus light so all my MACRO shots were out of focus. I am thinking about going back to my point and shoot Cannon.

Does anyone have any suggestions or am I doing something wrong...there is nothing in the user manual that is helpful.

Thanks.

dijimeeks
05-10-2010, 02:34
What about a dive light to set your focus?

Nemrod
05-10-2010, 08:28
I just had my first dive with the DX-1200...I am SO DISAPPOINTED...the fiber optic cord blocks the auto focus light so all my MACRO shots were out of focus. I am thinking about going back to my point and shoot Cannon.

Does anyone have any suggestions or am I doing something wrong...there is nothing in the user manual that is helpful.

Thanks.

Well, if the fiber optic cable is interfering with the focus mechanism as you say that would be what you are doing wrong, just a guess, just saying.

N

DevilDiver
05-10-2010, 08:32
The auto focus should be to the bottom left of the fiber optic slot. Are you routing the cable from the bottom?

A photo of your camera housing with the fiber optic connected would help with determining your issue.