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FishFood
08-21-2007, 20:52
What's the difference between the Sealife SL960 Strobe, and their new SL960D... other than $150? The only thing I can see is...

"5 pre-flash cancellation settings for use with most digital cameras.
Variable brightness control for better image exposure."

W/e that means. Heh

ScubaToys Larry
08-21-2007, 21:06
Yea... that's the difference. So with the little digitals, they many times run a pre flash. You take a picture and you get a quick flash, then the main flash. It uses the pre-flash to determine the focus and flash settings, then "Wham" the camera flashes and takes the picture.

Slave strobes are hanging out waiting for a flash, and when they see one - they go at the same time. So the problem with the standard one is it will see the pre flash - and fire with that, and it won't be ready a fraction of a second later to flash again.

So you need the pre flash adjustment, unless you can turn that off on your digital.

Then as far as the adjustment, if it just goes all out on each shot, you will way overexpose your macro shots. And it use up more energy - using enough power to make a full flash when you only needed 1/4 of the flash power.

So to solve those problems... In steps the Sealife 960D (http://scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?product_id=SL960D)!

ReefHound
08-21-2007, 21:10
Yeah, get the digital strobe. I have the plain one and it's a PITA to get to work right with digitals. I have to disable pre-flash but then the camera has no way to autofocus so you have to manually set your shutter and fstop. Which many pros much prefer but I'm not much of a photographer.

NitroWill
08-21-2007, 21:18
So Larry, if we are going with the DC60 or the mini - is there any advantage of the "D" version?

ScubaToys Larry
08-21-2007, 21:20
So Larry, if we are going with the DC60 or the mini - is there any advantage of the "D" version?


Yes... the ability to turn it down when shooting close.

NitroWill
08-21-2007, 21:22
So Larry, if we are going with the DC60 or the mini - is there any advantage of the "D" version?


Yes... the ability to turn it down when shooting close.


Cool, thanks for clearing it up!

FishFood
08-21-2007, 21:29
Larry, what does the "Macro" Strobe mode do on the DC600? Ive noticed when in Macro Strobe mode, my close up shots come out much better. Since the camera cant control the strobe's power level I dont quote understand how that works?


And Nitro, he ment turn it down as in power level ;)

The regular strobe can already be be pointed.

NitroWill
08-21-2007, 21:32
Fixed my post now ;) I should stop looking at strobes - I need the camera first!!

ScubaToys Larry
08-21-2007, 21:37
In macro mode, it changes the focal length to just an inch or so to about 18 inches. You will normally see you need to go wide angle all the way, or almost all the way for best clarity in macro shots. So wide angle, set macro, then move the camera in as close as possible to get the shot.

And correct... turn it down is turn down the light output of the strobe - not tilt down the head.

Remember the secret is have as little water between the camera and the subject for the best shot. Even in great vis - you can see maybe 100 feet... so if you are shooting something 5 feet away, you are losing 1/20 of your vis and clarity. And the strobe has to go 5 feet out and back, which will cause you to lose some of your bright pop red color.

zahgurim
09-13-2007, 07:53
Will these strobes work with Sony setups?

I'm running a DSC-W12 w/case, and am looking for a slave strobe.

ScubaToys Larry
09-13-2007, 07:57
Yes, they will work with any camera. With the sealife, in UW mode it turns off the pre-flash function, but even if your camera does not have that feature, you can tell the strobe to fire with the first flash, the second, the 3rd, etc. It's just a switch on the inside next to the batteries... I've used it with many different digital and film cameras... no problems.

zahgurim
09-13-2007, 20:47
Good to know.

Thanks!

bubble-head
10-17-2007, 19:56
It looks like I've got a new item to add to my wish list. :smiley20:

Marcuswilbus
01-14-2008, 13:30
So Larry, if we are going with the DC60 or the mini - is there any advantage of the "D" version?


Yes... the ability to turn it down when shooting close.


So Larry, related to this forum, I was wondering, for an amateur, which kit would be good for me?
- Sea & Sea YS27 DX Strobe (549$) (since the YS90 DX is discontinued)
- Sealife Digital Strobe SL960D (299$)
- Or any other around those prices?

My camera is an Olympus Stylus 400 with the housing Olympus PT-016.

I'm going in Thailand in March and want to have the right equipment.

Many thanks for your advises!

Marc

Puffer Fish
01-14-2008, 13:36
So Larry, if we are going with the DC60 or the mini - is there any advantage of the "D" version?


Yes... the ability to turn it down when shooting close.


So Larry, related to this forum, I was wondering, for an amateur, which kit would be good for me?
- Sea & Sea YS27 DX Strobe (549$) (since the YS90 DX is discontinued)
- Sealife Digital Strobe SL960D (299$)
- Or any other around those prices?

My camera is an Olympus Stylus 400 with the housing Olympus PT-016.

I'm going in Thailand in March and want to have the right equipment.

Many thanks for your advises!

Marc
Not sure what Larry is going to advise.. but mine would be between the YS110 or the SL961. I have two SL960D's and don't like them that much.

Hint: I just bought my second YS110. The fact that it can mimic the preflash and is one quality piece of equipment were the two selling points to me... but I believe the SL961 is a major step up in quality from the SL960D.

RoyN
01-14-2008, 16:07
Just got the SL961D, but haven't had a chance to test it because of bad weather, hopefully tomorrow when I go diving with my friends will I test it and give you some sample. :)

Marcuswilbus
01-14-2008, 17:36
So Larry, if we are going with the DC60 or the mini - is there any advantage of the "D" version?


Yes... the ability to turn it down when shooting close.


So Larry, related to this forum, I was wondering, for an amateur, which kit would be good for me?
- Sea & Sea YS27 DX Strobe (549$) (since the YS90 DX is discontinued)
- Sealife Digital Strobe SL960D (299$)
- Or any other around those prices?

My camera is an Olympus Stylus 400 with the housing Olympus PT-016.

I'm going in Thailand in March and want to have the right equipment.

Many thanks for your advises!

Marc
Not sure what Larry is going to advise.. but mine would be between the YS110 or the SL961. I have two SL960D's and don't like them that much.

Hint: I just bought my second YS110. The fact that it can mimic the preflash and is one quality piece of equipment were the two selling points to me... but I believe the SL961 is a major step up in quality from the SL960D.


Great! So I think I will go with the SL961 then! It suit my budget and you seem to know what you're talking about!

Thanks!

Puffer Fish
01-14-2008, 18:11
Here is the instruction manual... has good advice and the o-ring stuff. With a very good explanation of how it works and how to adjust it.

Hint: 4 setting, plus ev camera adjustments, plus manual...

http://www.sealife-cameras.com/assets/pdf/manuals/digitalflashpro/Digital_Flash_Pro_Manual_revised_07.pdf

Would be nice if Larry or Joe were to chime in with comments like:

"yea, we get back everyone we sell" or

"great product, I own 20 of them"

But owning a couple of the SL960D's, they changed most of the items on my wish list...






So Larry, if we are going with the DC60 or the mini - is there any advantage of the "D" version?


Yes... the ability to turn it down when shooting close.


So Larry, related to this forum, I was wondering, for an amateur, which kit would be good for me?
- Sea & Sea YS27 DX Strobe (549$) (since the YS90 DX is discontinued)
- Sealife Digital Strobe SL960D (299$)
- Or any other around those prices?

My camera is an Olympus Stylus 400 with the housing Olympus PT-016.

I'm going in Thailand in March and want to have the right equipment.

Many thanks for your advises!

Marc
Not sure what Larry is going to advise.. but mine would be between the YS110 or the SL961. I have two SL960D's and don't like them that much.

Hint: I just bought my second YS110. The fact that it can mimic the preflash and is one quality piece of equipment were the two selling points to me... but I believe the SL961 is a major step up in quality from the SL960D.


Great! So I think I will go with the SL961 then! It suit my budget and you seem to know what you're talking about!

Thanks!

RoyN
01-15-2008, 23:18
Great! So I think I will go with the SL961 then! It suit my budget and you seem to know what you're talking about!

Thanks!

Here are some shots using the SP-320 and the SL961. Unfortunately because of bad viz, the pictures could only be taken in close up.

http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/42728/2583780560101309303S425x425Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2583780560101309303pSfNdK)

http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/38933/2822124560101309303S425x425Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2822124560101309303pTNLDB)

http://inlinethumb46.webshots.com/41965/2356417310101309303S425x425Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2356417310101309303UVEiJb)

dannybot
01-16-2008, 16:08
Roy, were you using a red filter? I notice that the scorpionfish is very pink.

RoyN
01-21-2008, 13:59
Nope, no filters, He is pink Danny, that guy is hiding from something. And I just learned that species can blend in around. I saw a brown one a couple few weeks ago. :)

Here is the wide angle shot.

http://inlinethumb63.webshots.com/37566/2735953600101309303S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2735953600101309303SuGytG)

Puffer Fish
01-21-2008, 14:30
Nope, no filters, He is pink Danny, that guy is hiding from something. And I just learned that species can blend in around. I saw a brown one a couple few weeks ago. :)

Here is the wide angle shot.

http://inlinethumb63.webshots.com/37566/2735953600101309303S500x500Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2735953600101309303SuGytG)


I have pictures of various colors of them.. nicely done. Was that taken with the "auto" function, or did you use manual? And I notice that the strobe light did not cover the entire frame, how wide of an angle lens were you using?

Not bad, by the way.

RoyN
01-21-2008, 14:37
That picture was taken manual setting and yeah, I'm actually having a problem with that lense of not having enough light to cover the whole shot. Its the UFL-165AD Fisheye Lens and I think I took the shot a little too far but thats Monterey diving for you there. :smiley5: I'm going to give that lense one more try.

Puffer Fish
01-21-2008, 15:51
That picture was taken manual setting and yeah, I'm actually having a problem with that lense of not having enough light to cover the whole shot. Its the UFL-165AD Fisheye Lens and I think I took the shot a little too far but thats Monterey diving for you there. :smiley5: I'm going to give that lense one more try.


Thanks, Would be very interested in how well the auto setting works, but it does take some adjustment to get to work.

Have you tried pulling the flash back from the plane of the camera, to let the flash spread out? I would doubt you would be able to get complete coverage, but you might get more.

dannybot
01-21-2008, 20:53
I got several on my last trip, they look like an outline on the coral, my photos are all so flat that they're really hard to see. I am just so amazed at how well those scorpions blens in, even having seen it with my own eyes.

Reg
04-20-2008, 08:41
Could you post your pic's again its seems like the link is broken..