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cwaniak36
03-25-2009, 22:12
I finally finished my Theory classes and Dive lessons at the pool. Passed my exam. Now im waiting for warm weather do to my open water dive to get certification.
My "new" problem im experiencing is that after 1st, pool lesson (i had 4 total. 1 each week) the day after the dive i got slight headache that would come and go through out the day. Not regularly, just randomly. I don't usually get headaches thats why i noticed it. Its not a big headache, really small that disappears after few minutes.
That being said it continues for about 4 weeks now, but they are less painful, almost unnoticeable now. It kind of seemed as it was greater the day after each dive. and then started to go away. until the next lesson and so on.
i did not get it under water, always few hours after the dive or the next day. never had a problem with sleeping.
i didn't really drink lots of fluids, and i assume its dehydration that causes my headaches, now i am going to drink lots of fluids.
another thing i was worrying about is co2 poisoning, but i assume that would have bigger effects... obviously im not a perfect breather under water, but i try my best to remember on doing deep and slow breathing.
any comments on that?

setesh
03-25-2009, 22:26
Any ear clearing problems?

cwaniak36
03-25-2009, 22:40
Well i made a post earlier on, that talked about the ear problem i got at the first dive in a pool. my ear was kind of stuck for few days but got better. ( looked like i forced too much when clearing them.)could that be the cause of the headache?
As for now , no, no ear clearing problems at all. Can clear it often and with no problems.

waytooslow
03-25-2009, 23:02
I would get this checked out by a doctor - sounds like a block.
My buddy that I did OW with no longer dives due to the issues he was having with headaches. Not something I would fool around with if I were you. IMHO.

setesh
03-25-2009, 23:17
I would get this checked out by a doctor - sounds like a block.
My buddy that I did OW with no longer dives due to the issues he was having with headaches. Not something I would fool around with if I were you. IMHO.

I completely agree with waytooslow. I would contact DAN, you can get a referral to a dive medicine trained doctor. You can start that process here:

Divers Alert Network : DAN Medical Center : Physicians (http://www.diversalertnetwork.org/medical/physicians.asp)

You could also give them a call to get information at:

Non-Emergency Medical Questions
1-800-446-2671 or 1-919-684-2948, Mon-Fri, 8:30am-5:00pm (ET)

cwaniak36
03-26-2009, 11:19
I would get this checked out by a doctor - sounds like a block.
My buddy that I did OW with no longer dives due to the issues he was having with headaches. Not something I would fool around with if I were you. IMHO.

I completely agree with waytooslow. I would contact DAN, you can get a referral to a dive medicine trained doctor. You can start that process here:

Divers Alert Network : DAN Medical Center : Physicians (http://www.diversalertnetwork.org/medical/physicians.asp)

You could also give them a call to get information at:

Non-Emergency Medical Questions
1-800-446-2671 or 1-919-684-2948, Mon-Fri, 8:30am-5:00pm (ET)


i contacted them online, waiting for response.

cwaniak36
03-26-2009, 11:46
i did some research about decompression sickness, it also states that feeling tired is a symptom of it.
i do kind of feel some what more tired for the past 3 days, but that started before my last dive...
as for today my headache only lasts for few seconds now, and pain is not felt,
since those *headaches* started after the 1st dive. i ve been at 2 different doctors,: my earlier posts:

http://forum.scubatoys.com/fitness/21817-would-ear-infection.html

i think ill get 3rd opinion.
also waiting for a response from DAN

JCAT
03-26-2009, 11:49
Questions---

where is the headache located? This is not as dumb as it sounds, right side?, left side?, all over?, top of head,? behind eyes?

When was the last time your blood pressure was checked?

cheers

setesh
03-26-2009, 12:00
i did some research about decompression sickness, it also states that feeling tired is a symptom of it.
i do kind of feel some what more tired for the past 3 days, but that started before my last dive...
as for today my headache only lasts for few seconds now, and pain is not felt,
since those *headaches* started after the 1st dive. i ve been at 2 different doctors,: my earlier posts:

http://forum.scubatoys.com/fitness/21817-would-ear-infection.html

i think ill get 3rd opinion.
also waiting for a response from DAN

As far as DCS goes, weren't you in a pool? When I think pool I think no more than 15ft. How deep was it and how long were you under at what depth?

cwaniak36
03-26-2009, 12:22
Yah , a pool, about 4-5 meters in depth.
as for the lengths around for 10 min 3 times.....

cwaniak36
03-26-2009, 12:52
Questions---

where is the headache located? This is not as dumb as it sounds, right side?, left side?, all over?, top of head,? behind eyes?

When was the last time your blood pressure was checked?

cheers

as for the pain, its kind of hard to spot the location, sometimes feels from a side one or the other, sometimes from the top. i wouldn't necessarily call it a pain... maybe slightest pain u can feel in headache....that lasts for few seconds,

i didnt really measure my pressure lately.
( by the way im 20)


Also, when that feeling( pain ) comes, i can make it go away almost righ away by flexing my neck....

JCAT
03-26-2009, 13:22
I'm not a MD, but have your blood pressure checked, esp if any family history, either side. Age does not play into inherited High Blood Pressure.

Headaches on the very top of your head could be a result of over exertion resulting in what is sometimes called a small Co2 hit. Esp. if you smoke any.

Could be a tension headache as well, if moving your neck helps.

I'm not an MD, you should see one if this bothers you repeatedly.

setesh
03-26-2009, 14:35
Yah , a pool, about 4-5 meters in depth.
as for the lengths around for 10 min 3 times.....

I guess there are extenuating circumstances that might produce DCS symptoms with that little exposure and such a shallow depth, but I would think it was extremely unlikely. Again, should definitely check with someone who knows dive medicine. I'll be really interested to hear what DAN tells you.

cwaniak36
03-26-2009, 16:22
any previous experience with timing of a reply by email from DAN>?

setesh
03-26-2009, 17:12
No, but all of their mail went to 'Junk' before I added them to the allowed list on my email. You might check that. And you can always call them if you don't want to wait any longer for a reply.

Lulubelle
03-26-2009, 17:34
Agreed that the possibility of DCS is nearly nonexistent in your circumstances.

Also agree that you need to see a doctor recommended by DAN. An ENT first due to your reported ear issues, if all checks out negative there, perhaps a neurologist who specializes in headache. And sure, check your BP, but your age leads me to believe that it will be perfectly normal.

Not much that anyone can offer you here on the forum, we can't do a physical exam online yet.

BouzoukiJoe A.K.A. wrecker130 AKA Chuck Norris AKA joeforbroke (banned)
03-26-2009, 17:48
Agree ENT first place to go. If you have sinus barotrauma or similar you don't want to just let it go due to possible infection.

Would also be good to rule out some more sinsiter things that could have been aggravated by the diving.

cwaniak36
03-26-2009, 18:45
No, but all of their mail went to 'Junk' before I added them to the allowed list on my email. You might check that. And you can always call them if you don't want to wait any longer for a reply.

thanks for heads up, the confirmation email regards receiving my message was indeed in junk mail !

hmmm.... i can kind of spot the source of the strain/pain coming from,,... feels like coming from my neck up to my head..

CPTOZZY
03-27-2009, 01:10
Does Light make the headaches worse?
Any Visual Disturbances ie: flashes of light, dark spots?
do you grind your teeth, is your Jaw tight / tired
any vertigo / dizziness
if you try to clear our nose / valsalva maneuver does it worsen the pain
Do the pool sessions stress you, or are you completely relaxed underwater ?

cwaniak36
03-27-2009, 10:39
Does Light make the headaches worse?
Any Visual Disturbances ie: flashes of light, dark spots?
do you grind your teeth, is your Jaw tight / tired
any vertigo / dizziness
if you try to clear our nose / valsalva maneuver does it worsen the pain
Do the pool sessions stress you, or are you completely relaxed underwater ?

Hey, no, light does not contribute to anything.
Nothing wrong with vision either.
I don't really grind my teeth.
Clearing nose does nothing painful.
I have to say that 1st pool session was pretty stressfull, as I was in "new enviornmnet, but by the last one I was really confident and relaxed.

cwaniak36
03-27-2009, 16:09
hey, here is the reply from DAN:


"Thanks for your inquiry. I have attached 3 articles that should contain some helpful information for you. Dehydration and sinus barotrauma (pressure injury) are both plausible explanations. Sinus barotrauma is especially likely if you dove with any congestion or symptoms of a cold. If you have any persistent symptoms I would recommend seeing your doctor. This is also advisable before you choose to dive again. Please don’t hesitate to contact us again if you have any further questions."

Tully Mars
03-28-2009, 07:51
This might just be a shot in the dark...

But how does you reg. feel in your mouth? Is it comfortable. do you bite down on it hard? If you've got a death grip on it or it doesn't fit right it can lead to TMJ- Temporomandibular joint disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporomandibular_joint_disorder)

TMJ can lead to all sorts of odd symptoms including head aches. I knew a diver that had this problem and swore he was having ear problems. After several visits to the ear, nose and throat Dr. He changed out his reg. mouth piece to a softer custom molding one and bingo, no more head aches.

fanatique
03-28-2009, 09:49
Headaches by design are very elusive and difficult to account for. You should systematically try to eliminate all the possible causes one by one. E.g. get a checkup at the doctor's. Everything a-ok? Try to dive without a cold and clear your ears as frequently as you can. Any headaches after? Try changing your regulator mouthpiece for a few successive dives. Do the headaches still return?

Do this because the potential causes of your headaches are too many to just pinpoint one cause. It may, in fact, be caused by two or more different reasons too.

Go Gregory House! :D

cwaniak36
03-28-2009, 12:15
Althought i do feel kind of better, my blood pressure is high, im at emergency room, waiting to go in.

JCAT
03-28-2009, 13:47
Althought i do feel kind of better, my blood pressure is high, im at emergency room, waiting to go in.

Again, I'm not an MD.

BUT, you and your Doc must work together to figure out why you have high blood pressure at this point in time. Especially, if there is any family history of hypertension or stroke from either side.

best wishes and keeps us in the loop.

islandwheels
03-28-2009, 19:46
I'm no doctor, and would certainly concur with above posts, though I wonder if it's not some of your sinus cavities readjusting, (they can also scratch a dive if they're not up for the dive) they seem to be crazy things some time, depending on the individual. I can feel a little lousy after a dive ( not lousy enough to stop me), I chalk it up to body just readjusting to surface life again. Also I need to, personally, employ a nice few minutes at shallow depth (you'd call a safety stop) even though no decompressing is required, couldn't hurt the situation on surface afterwards.

cwaniak36
03-28-2009, 20:23
so i came back from the Doctor... that was hell long of a wait....
Well he said that it is impossible for a DCS because of the symptoms i am getting... He said High Blood pressure would not be caused by that... i questioned that.... oh well...
by the way my pressure Hits 170 / 90 ...yah I clearly remember i measured my blood pressure about a month ago and it was 120/70..... exactly.... so i never experienced symptoms like this before, and my blood pressure was never high !

i got a blood pressure tablet, that did reduce it.
he said that diving has nothing to do with the situation im in , and i should go to my family doctor for further tests..Yes i will do that, but on the other hand, these symptoms clearly started after the diving.....
well im looking for a divedoctor around my area. i have to get it checked out by specialist in diving medicine !
by the way, the tablet has dissolved my headache ( well now i feel it like pressure in a head.... i think that what it was all the time, causing somewhat pain.)

by the way does DAN provide list of Dive doctors in Canada?>

fanatique
03-29-2009, 09:11
The situation sounds like a full-body medical might be in order. Which isn't a bad idea anyway if you haven't done one in the past year or five.

cwaniak36
03-29-2009, 09:41
I had a aviation medical exam done past october. Everything was fine with me, got certified.

boates
03-29-2009, 10:47
Any chance you're skip-breathing? (Holding your inhaled breath before exhaling?) This is fairly common amongst new divers, perhaps your instructor could observe your breathing when your able to back in the water. Granted the headaches caused by this are usually strong and almost immediately upon exiting the water, they used to hit me 1/2 way up the boat ladder! Hope your feeling better....