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swimboyy
08-11-2009, 00:14
Ok, I don't know how many of you have done this but on my 1st wreck dive a few weeks ago I ended up jumping in knowing nothing of the wreck except what the DM told us on the boat. So now that I am back on shore I know I will return these wrecks and I want to do some research on them. I would like to find some design sketches or floorplans. Because they are navy ships I know that somewhere the plans I want are being stored, anyone got any Ideas to help me? The wrecks are (YDT-14, YDT-15, and the "Navy Tug"). In my research on the YDT's I have found some info, but as far as the navy tug nothing! If anyone knows this ships name, classification, anything it would be apreciated very much. I plan on using the plans as a basis for an underwater map of the wreck showing what is remaining of the wreck, where it is, depths, etc.

:tired: I hav been up non-stop looking for info but nothing!

navyhmc
08-11-2009, 04:25
Before you go out and re-invent the wheel, do a little research on what is already out there. I would be willing to bet if you look in the right spots, you can find a wealth of information on what you seek. Area dive shops are a great place to start.

mike_s
08-11-2009, 13:06
edit: This is weird. when I refreshed my post, most of the info I posted was deleted by someone... hmmm..

go check out author (Tom Bailey) called Reefs, Wrecks, & Rigs: Diver's Guide To The Northern Gulf of Mexico (1993). It's out of print, but you can find it at some online book used sellers. It covers that area.

I can look it up when I get home also for you.







YDT 14 and 15 before sinking.


http://www.gulfdiver.net/images/Navyboats.jpg

mike_s
08-11-2009, 13:33
YDT-15 Class Diving Tender: Laid down, 8 December 1941 as Self-propelled Covered Lighter YF-294 at Erie Concrete & Steel Co., Erie, PA.
Launched, 27 June 1942
Delivered and placed in service as YF-294, 10 December 1942
Named Phoebus, 8 June1965
Redesignated Diving Tender YDT-14, March 1974
Placed out of service (date unknown)
Struck from the Naval Register, 17 May 1999
Final Disposition, sunk as part of an artificial reef in 90' of water off Escambia County, FL., in April 2000 Specifications:
Displacement 300 t.(lt) 650 t.(fl)
Length 132' 6"
Beam 30'
Draft 8'
Speed 10 kts.
Armament none
Complement 11
Propulsion one V12-71 Detriot Diesel, single shaft


YF-294 launching at Erie Concrete & Steel Supply Co., Erie, PA., date unknown.
Photo from Bowling Green University Historical Collection of the Great Lakes


http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i114/mikes2006/misc_images/dive-related/gulfshores/144329401.jpg





YDT-14 Class Diving Tender: Laid down, 1 July 1942 as Self-propelled Covered Lighter YF-336 at Erie Concrete & Steel Co., Erie, PA.
Launched, 1 October 1942
Delivered and placed in service as YF-336, 1 April 1943
Named Suitland, 8 June1965
Redesignated Diving Tender YDT-15, March 1974
Placed out of service (date unknown)
Struck from the Naval Register, 17 May 1999
Final Disposition, sunk as part of an artificial reef in 90' of water off Escambia County, FL., in April 2000 Specifications:
Displacement 300 t.(lt) 650 t.(fl)
Length 132' 6"
Beam 30'
Draft 8'
Speed 10 kts.
Armament none
Complement 11
Propulsion one V12-71 Detriot Diesel, single shaft

YF-336 launching at Erie Concrete & Steel Supply Co., Erie, PA., 1 October 1942.
Photo from Bowling Green University Historical Collection of the Great Lakes

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i114/mikes2006/misc_images/dive-related/gulfshores/144333601.jpg





The US Navy Dive Tender 14 (YDT-14) is a wreck with loads of marine life and few coral growth.

This ship is a US Navy Dive Tender (YDT). These ships provide diving support services to US Navy diving personnel during the performance of a variety of marine salvage and recovery operations. YDT 14 is a YDT-14 Class Diving Tender who's keel was laid on December 8 1941. She was initially designated self-propelled covered lighter YF-294 and was constructed at Erie Concrete & Steel Co., Erie, PA. She was launched June 27 1942, delivered and placed in service as YF-294 on December 10 1942. She was named Phoebus on June 8 1965 and she was re-designated Diving Tender YDT-14 in March 1974. It is not known exactly when she was placed out of service. However, she was struck from the Naval Register on May 17 1999. Final disposition lists her as sunk as part of an artificial reef in 90' of water off Escambia County, FL., in April 2000. She displaces 300 tons light and 650 tons loaded. Her length is 132' 6", her beam is 30', her draft is 8' and her speed is 10 kts. She carries no armament, and a complement of 11 personnel. While her propulsion is unknown, she has two propellers. Her sister ship YDT 15 is also sunk nearby as part of the artificial reef program.




It is not known if the general absence of growth on the hull, after 6 and a half years underwater, is a result of the quality of the paint used by the US Navy or the massive amount of fish which call this ship home. Access to the inside of the ship is limited due to the small passage ways and the maze of pipes weaving their way around the larger openings. However, the wheel house and communication compartments on top of the ship can be easily entered by divers.


Accessible by several of the dive charter boats in Pensacola, This site is located 18 miles offshore in 95' of water at: N 30° 05.330' W 087° 09.640'. The ship provides divers approximately 30 feet of relief from the sand making this a dive which is well within recreational limits. However, due to the distance from shore and occasional currents this dive is generally thought to be for advanced recreational divers.

mike_s
08-11-2009, 13:40
I wonder if this is the Navy Tug?

just says scrapped in Gulf Shores, not sunk as reef



Sagawamick (YTM-522)


ex
Sagawamick (YTB-522) (1962 - 1982)


Awards, Citations and Campaign Ribbons
http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/amc.jpg http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/wwiivm.jpg http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/ndsm.jpg
Precedence of awards is left to right
American Campaign Medal - World War II Victory Medal - National Defense Service Medal
Hisada Class District Harbor Tug, Large: Laid down, 22 March 1945, at Gibbs Gas Engine Co., Jacksonville, FL.
Launched, 21 June 1945
Delivered and placed in service, as Sagawamick (YTB-522), 22 July , allocated to the 6th Naval District at Charleston, S.C.
Reassigned to NAS Pensacola, FL., 23 December 1953
Redesignated District Harbor Tug, Medium YTM-518 in February 1962
Placed out of service, date unknown
Struck from the Naval Register, 15 December 1982
Sold, date unknown, to Brown Marine Service, Inc., Pensacola, FL., renamed, Elsie Guttmann
Final Disposition, scrapped at Brown Marines yard at Gulf Shores, AL in 2002 Specifications:
Displacement 237 t(lt) 325 t.(fl)
Length 100'
Beam 25'
Draft 11' 6"
Speed 12 kts.
Complement 8
Armament unknown
Propulsion diesel, single screw

mike_s
08-11-2009, 13:54
Navy Tug info I found


Lat/Long 29.967161111111, -87.631716666667

HISTORY
H1O180/85-86--OPR-J217-HFP-85; UNCHARTED WRECK LOCATED ON ė5/14/86 IN LAT 29-58-01.03N, LONG 87-37-
54.25W. LL LD OF 74 FEET ė(PREDICTED TIDES). IN 95 FEET. DESCRIBED AS AN INTACT OCEAN GOING ėTUG
APPROX. 140 FEET LONG, 4 DECKS. LORAN-C POSITION (7980 CHAIN): ėW=12997.4, X=30140.5, Y=47011.0. VIS.=60
FEET. LD TAKEN ON ėSPOTLIGHT STAND ATOP PILOT HOUSE. "GO NAVY" IS LETTERED ON SIDE ėOF HULL.
LOCALLY KNOWN AS "GO NAVY TUG". EVALUATOR RECOMMENDS ėCHARTING A NON-DANGEROUS SUNKEN
WRECK, (74 WK). (ENT 2/3/89, SJV)ė




Gary at Gary's Gulf Diver might be a decent source to check with also on some history on it.


You might also find this thread interesting. It has some historical name info on the Liberty Ships off Gulf Shores.

Alabama Coast Liberty Ships - ScubaBoard (http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/deep-dixie-divers/294556-alabama-coast-liberty-ships.html)

swimboyy
08-11-2009, 14:22
mike_s,
I acually have that book in my dive collection and nothing on the navy tug. It is a really good read though.
the pics you posted were from the same site s I have been using!:smilie39: haha great minds think alike.

also mike your last two posts are interesting and I have begun researching them where did you find that info if I may ask? thanks.

-adam

mike_s
08-11-2009, 14:48
Post #5 was from NavSource
http://www.navsource.org/archives/14/09522.htm


Post #6 was from

http://aboutfacts.net/Documents/ShipWrecks/LaMissAlabPart/section%209.pdf


But if you'll notice, the length of the Sagawamick (from post #5) is 100' with 25' beam


The Navy Tug listed on post #6 is 140' long. so unless one of them is in error on length, I think that excludes it from being the Sagawamick.

mike_s
08-11-2009, 14:56
a little more info. a possible match. although the depths are slightly off.






Local Dive Sites (http://www.mbtdivers.com/Local%20Dives.htm)

has
TUG DELIVERANCE N30:10.907 / W087:14.618
Sunk in 1989 as an artificial reef approximately 9 miles SSE of Pensacola Pass. Depths range 75-85'. The wreck is little more than the hull and is in poor shape, but holds a tremendous amount of marine life.



but on their GPS Numbers list, it's called the Navy Tug Deliverence
GPS Numbers (http://www.mbtdivers.com/GPS%20Numbers.htm)



Several other tugs listed on the MBT page, but none other say "Navy Tug" besides the name on the GPS numbers list.


I'll check my Ned DeLoach book also. It's so close to Florida or might be over the "dotted line" seperating the two that it might be considered a Pensacola dive site also. If so, might be in the Ned Deloach book.

swimboyy
08-11-2009, 15:04
I looked up some pics of Sagawamick and as far as I cantell the photos I saw do not match up with my pics of the wreck.

I do know that the navy tug was a 3 deck ship, but once sunk a hurricane ripped the 3rd deck off so now the wreck has 2 decks.

JCAT
08-12-2009, 04:53
Hello all,

I'm not interested in diving the 'O', but looking for sites that have a lot of sea life in the Gulf Shores/Orange Beach/Pensacola area.

I may be down that way soon and am looking for picture taking sites.

All suggestions welcome.

thanks

swimboyy
08-12-2009, 17:20
^ umm ok random post:smilie39:


as far as to answer your question:

There are so many good dives out there. I got some good pics on Navy tug and Atlantis, but I haven't been out as often as i like to so as far as the other wrecks I don't know now. try the search button and see what peoples reviews are.

navyhmc
08-12-2009, 18:30
^ umm ok random post:smilie39:


as far as to answer your question:

There are so many good dives out there. I got some good pics on Navy tug and Atlantis, but I haven't been out as often as i like to so as far as the other wrecks I don't know now. try the search button and see what peoples reviews are.

Don't hold back, post the picts!!!!:smiley20:

swimboyy
08-13-2009, 11:03
here are some pics

swimboyy
08-13-2009, 11:06
more pics

swimboyy
08-13-2009, 11:13
pics 3

swimboyy
08-13-2009, 11:25
pics of the 30' whaleshark :icon_mrgreen:
I got to swim with it and it pulled me, my buddy, and our DM for a 10min!!!!!!!!

swimboyy
08-13-2009, 11:27
more whale shark!


Note: all posted pics are a mix of my photos and my buddies, i gotta give him credit:smiley20:

hoova-scuba
08-14-2009, 19:21
Great pics! i would trade a small fortune(relatively speaking) to get to swim with a whale shark