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FishFood
09-15-2007, 20:47
What are the benefits for jogging vs riding a stationary bike? Can the cardiovascular workout equal that of jogging?

Also, will jogging a mile and a half every other day catch of with you (in the form of joint pain) later in life?



Im trying to decide which is better...

Tableleg
09-15-2007, 22:18
I can't say for sure, because I don't ever use the stationary bike, but before I started running/jogging, I used an elliptical. And I could last much longer on that than I can actually running because of the lack of impact. So that's where I'm getting my opinion from.

I seem to get more out of running than I ever did with the low/no impact machine as far as a cardio workout goes. I couldn't tell you why, (I'm sure smarter people than I will eventually explain) but I don't see me using those machines anymore.

DLXM Cayman
09-15-2007, 22:40
jogging on conrete, asphalt, roads etc can be damaging to joints in the long term depending upon how you run. Jogging on grass, sand etc will help. Alternatively, use a treadmill. Either way, actually cycling or jogging is definitely better than using machines in terms of fitness but that does not mean you won't get a good deal of fitness from machines too if you use them properly. To get the best results, spend half your time cycling and half jogging and try to do a short (keep it very short to start) sprint at some point during the jog as it has be shown that changing the speed of the jog helps a lot. In terms of cardio workout, it depends on the speed of jog/cycle.

BobArnold8265
09-15-2007, 22:56
Jogging and biking are both equal from a cardiovascular standpoint (assuming that you do each with the same level of intensity). As far as running and joint pain, unless you have previous injuries, than you should be able to run your entire life with no problems. However, there are some things you should do to ease the impact that running has.

First, be sure to get good shoes. This does not necessarily mean expensive shoes but ones that fit your body type and running style and provide good padding.

Second, run on earth instead of pavement whenever possible. Running on a trail really lowers the impact on your joints versus concrete or pavement.

Third, don't run everyday. This point is constantly under debate but I think running 2 days and then taking a day off is a good way to let your body recover and rebuild itself. I have found this to be even more important as I have gotten older.

Fourth, from a cardiovascular standpoint, most experts seem to believe that you should exercise for at least 30 minutes 3 to 4 times per week.

I'm 46 and have been running since I was 16. I can honestly say that I have never had a running injury worse than a little tendonitis (which I experienced when I was 17). I run 4 to 5 times per week and go between 3 to 6 miles per outing.

zahgurim
09-16-2007, 00:48
Cardio-wise, jogging and biking are both great for you.

Drawbacks?
Jogging is one of the worst things you can do to your knees. Sure, you can decrease the risk with good shoes and watching where you jog, but, the impact is still bad.
Cranking mileage on a stationary bike in a room is boring as hell.
I'd much rather get onto an XC or road bike for stacking miles. Cycling is one of the best low-impact excercises you can do. Just watch out for trees...

BuzzGA
09-16-2007, 01:02
I know jogging is what works best for me. Of course the problem is impact. My knees just can't take more than 2 miles or so three days a week so I spend time on an eliptical at the gym 2-3 days a week before I hit the weights. The machines don't give me quite the cardio workout but when me knees are really bothering me it certainly gives them some time off.

quarkuud
09-16-2007, 01:08
I'm not capable of doing cardio on machines because if I know I can just get off the machine, I will. It's much easier for me to make myself keep going if I'm already 2k from home.

I jog 2x per week, usually Saturday and Sunday. I've gotten shin splints, but not in the last two years. Hopefully I've fixed my mechanics. Definitely get good shoes and change them often if you're going to go this route. Also don't ignore the little pains, if your knees are a bit sore, do something else for a week or two before you go back to jogging.

I'm a huge fan of cycling, though. What's been great about it for me is that I can use it to replace some of my driving, which is not only better for the environment but also allows me to get a longer workout with a shorter time investment. I cycle to work a couple times a week, which takes me about 45 minutes, but if I were driving it would still take me 25, so I get a 45 minute workout for the price of only 20 minutes, if that makes sense. If you live somewhere that's reasonably cycle-friendly, you can replace a lot of your driving errands with cycling. It's not as high-intensity as mountain biking or anything, but it's a lot better than driving.

ScubaJenn81
09-16-2007, 10:03
If you are training to do something special, like a road race, no matter how much bike riding you do, it will not help your running time. The same going the other way as well. But if you just want to strenthen your heart, you want to do what you like and feel good doing.

thesmoothdome
09-16-2007, 10:15
I mt. bike (well, the tires are flat now, but I used to mt. bike regularly) and I'll go through long periods where I believe my surgically repaired knee can stand up to the pain of jogging. In terms of fitness levels and weight loss, I prefer jogging. It's easier for me to get my heart rate up and keep it elevated for an extended period time. Sure, climbing hills on the mt. bike will about kill me, but truth is, it's too easy to push through that aerobic stage and push the body into an anerobic situation, where you know you're going to be walking the bike in a few minutes. Couple that with what goes up, must come down, and I get a much steadier work out by jogging. I know you're asking about a stationary bike, but although I've used them, I haven't been too successful with them. I get bored too easily.

For the record, I've been running again for the last month, getting in about 4 miles a day at least a few days a week. There are still short walk breaks in there, but it's nice to be out there. Unfortunately, something popped in my knee last weekend and I've limping around the house and at work. Coupled with the arch problems in my right foot, and I'm struggling to get back out there. So it might be back to biking for me. Sigh....getting older is rough.

greyzen
09-16-2007, 10:22
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divingyogini
09-16-2007, 13:38
Honestly the best one for you is the one you will actually stick with, and if you're just looking for pure cardiovascular fitness, cross-training is the best way to go because it reduces joint wear and tear and it constantly challenges your body and reduces boredom.

Be aware that watching tv while riding the stationary bike will often lower people's cardio output, but listening to fast tempo music tends to increase it.

I would also add in something that uses your upper body as well, such as the rowing machine if you're in a gym, or swimming, tennis, basketball.

But, one of the most important things is to make it enjoyable, because people are far more likely to stick with an activity if they enjoy it. This is why finding a jogging buddy is a great idea. This is also why so many people take a spinning class rather than just ride on their own.

BobArnold8265
09-16-2007, 21:18
I think a combination of activities is probably your very best bet. At least that's what they tell the serious runners. Running a few times a week mixed in with some other cardio activity works more muscle groups and gives you better overall fitness.

For all of you folks who have suffered injuries will jogging, it might be wise to check with a good sports doctor before hanging up your shoes. About 5 years ago, my Wife took up running. She was building up to run 5 & 10k races but started to have knee problems. She went to a sports doctor who determined that one of her legs was slightly longer than the other (not that anyone would have ever noticed. A 1/4" lift in her left shoe solved her problem. Now she is training to run her 3rd marathon.

Mtrewyn
09-17-2007, 00:36
I've started running. and if you knew me you would see the humor in that.

I started in late may, and am now up to near 7mi 4-5 times a week, and I have had some pain in my joints, but when I get it I stop and don't run till I feel better.

From the Dr's I've talked to that is the advice that they give, if it hurts don't do it, I think it is amazing what we will pay someone to tell us what we already know,

They seem to think that the cardio, far out weighs any of the other problims, so they told me to do what I like and will stick with, the longer you do it the more it pays you back in good ways later in life, so find what you will stick with and do it and do it regulary.

BobArnold8265
09-17-2007, 07:54
My more bit of advice. If you need to see a doctor about a running injury, it really pays to see a true sports doctor. I have found that most family doctors give you the old attitude that if it hurts to do something than just stop doing it. That may be good if you're say hitting yourself with a stick but isn't very helpful when you are trying to do something that either you enjoy or is good for you. A true sports doctor should work with you with the ultimate goal of helping you do your excercise without pain or injury.

jo8243
09-17-2007, 15:53
Here's a vote for cycling... running is hard on the knees/feet.

BuzzGA
09-17-2007, 23:20
If you are having joint pain that says something is wrong, sure the cardio work out is great but how much does that matter when you are spending time in rehab after knee surgery. Go see a sports doc and make sure you are not doing real damage

franksrq
09-17-2007, 23:44
What are the benefits for jogging vs riding a stationary bike? Can the cardiovascular workout equal that of jogging?

Also, will jogging a mile and a half every other day catch of with you (in the form of joint pain) later in life?



Im trying to decide which is better...


I have done many triathlons and running races (up to marathons), and here is a little of what i have learned from books, experienced athletes, and coaches.
1. Many people can run injury free for their entire lives if they stretch and warm up/ cool down properly. That being said... i dont, and i deal with overuse injuries frequently.
2. the middle range but long duration energy output that one finds with cycling is best for weight loss (burns fat calories more efficiently than running).
3. the only way to get yourself into better shape is set goals and then attack them. this is only going to be done by doing what you like. if you like cycling better than running, stick with cycling because you are more likely to make it a habit.

Mtrewyn
09-17-2007, 23:50
Yes you could find a sports see your Family practice Dr. get a referral after paying that Dr, wait to get in to see the specialist, pay that Dr. their fee, to find out that you need some kind of special thing that is way over priced and your insurance won't pay for it and may or may not work any way, and you'll have to come back for physical therapy, three times a week for the injury that brought to the sports guy in the first place, and pay more each visit for that (don't laugh I work in a hospital, all of the adult members of my family and my in laws, all work in the medical field somehow), just to keep running???, there are too many other ways to get into your target hart rate zone for twenty minutes every day, for one swimming, it works all the major muscle groups, NO impact, and forces you to use the air you have efficiently, sounds like the ideal way to get into and stay in shape for diving, I just prefer to run, I can talk to the people I run with and that makes it a lot easer for me.

Bill22
09-18-2007, 10:58
I like using the elliptical machine, I've got some joint problems. I zone out to my ipod... fast tempo music helps as was already mentioned. I increase the intensity by raising the level and the pace. Many machines will tell you how many calories you're burning and that is a good way to measure what kind of workout you're getting. I also swim laps.

The key is being consistent no matter what you do :-)

ccarter
09-18-2007, 12:30
I would advise not doing just one of the activities.. I race mountain bikes but still try and run once or twice a week since running works the opposing muscle group. There's also a bit of running/fast hiking at times during mountain biking so it helps. Variety is important IMO. I try and hit the weights once or twice a week as well.. though my running/weights routine is definitely not as regimented as cycling--some weeks I will skip them entirely.

You might also try swimming laps if you have access to a pool or whatever.. I wish I did.

BobArnold8265
09-18-2007, 12:34
I would advise not doing just one of the activities.. I race mountain bikes but still try and run once or twice a week since running works the opposing muscle group. There's also a bit of running/fast hiking at times during mountain biking so it helps. Variety is important IMO. I try and hit the weights once or twice a week as well.. though my running/weights routine is definitely not as regimented as cycling--some weeks I will skip them entirely.

You might also try swimming laps if you have access to a pool or whatever.. I wish I did.

I couldn't agree more. Multiple activities are the best way to be in shape and to make sure that your are working on all of the major muscle groups.

greyzen
09-18-2007, 15:16
I'm surprised my link didn't go over better :)
This seems like the coolest excersize toy... EVER
My wife is worried, but I'm getting one...

http://www.endlesspools.com/gallery/fullsize/109888schla5.jpg

Hemlon
09-18-2007, 15:22
I'm surprised my link didn't go over better :)
This seems like the coolest excersize toy... EVER
My wife is worried, but I'm getting one...

http://www.endlesspools.com/gallery/fullsize/109888schla5.jpg


Maybe some people didn't oooh and aahh as much as you wanted because while Endless Pools are indeed "cool", they are also expensive and space-prohibitive.

greyzen
09-18-2007, 15:50
Thats why they offer just the motor... so you can convert a pre-existing pool into an endless one (and move it when your done).

I'm wondering how freaked out my new Houston LDS will be if I drop one of these into their pool... :D

Seriously though, aside from the obvious toy bonus of owning one of these I could see it as very helpful for Gyms and LDS's (trim practice!)

Hemlon
09-18-2007, 15:54
Seriously though, aside from the obvious toy bonus of owning one of these I could see it as very helpful for Gyms and LDS's (trim practice!)

:smilie39:

greyzen
09-18-2007, 16:10
:smilie39:

Funny... that's what my wife said.

I'll send pix when I hijack someone's pool:smiley2:

jo8243
09-18-2007, 20:55
If you are having joint pain that says something is wrong, sure the cardio work out is great but how much does that matter when you are spending time in rehab after knee surgery. Go see a sports doc and make sure you are not doing real damage

Where is the pic in your avatar from?
That's some clear water.

Bill22
09-18-2007, 21:11
If you are having joint pain that says something is wrong, sure the cardio work out is great but how much does that matter when you are spending time in rehab after knee surgery. Go see a sports doc and make sure you are not doing real damage

That's why I don't run anymore unless I really have to. Orthopedist said it would be bad for me. I'm trying to avoid a future knee replacement :-))

Tableleg
09-18-2007, 21:41
This seems like the coolest excersize toy... EVER I'd be the guy that the currents generated by this thing would plaster up against the opposite wall... :smiley36:

BuzzGA
09-18-2007, 22:43
If you are having joint pain that says something is wrong, sure the cardio work out is great but how much does that matter when you are spending time in rehab after knee surgery. Go see a sports doc and make sure you are not doing real damage

Where is the pic in your avatar from?
That's some clear water.

I was diving at Jackson Blue Spring in Jackson County, Fl with a couple of friends of mine who are geologists and were wrapping up three years of research on the 1st magnitude springs of Fl. Actually it was a bit of a good bye trip...about 2 weeks later I moved to Arizona...boy do I miss the water!

DZorn00
09-19-2007, 11:42
Running is great exercise, I lost the most weight running but it is murder on the joints. Swimming is probably the best exercise that you can do, it eleviates the joint pressure and allows you to stretch all muscle groups with out over extending them. If you pull a muscle while swimming you are doing something wrong.

Rick155
09-20-2007, 11:15
I'll second the vote for cycling! I was a runner for many years, but it's an unforgiving sport and with age comes more aches and pains from road running. Road cycling is a whole 'nother thing. Granted there's cost that doesn't exist with running...and not every area is conducive to cycling. But I'm fortunate to live in an area that is, and I'm very glad to have taken it up. It's a great cardio-fitness sport, and nothing beats being outdoors!

Rick

jo8243
09-20-2007, 12:04
Thats why they offer just the motor... so you can convert a pre-existing pool into an endless one (and move it when your done).

I'm wondering how freaked out my new Houston LDS will be if I drop one of these into their pool... :D

Seriously though, aside from the obvious toy bonus of owning one of these I could see it as very helpful for Gyms and LDS's (trim practice!)

Do they really have just a motor? Link?

meesier42
09-20-2007, 12:35
both can be great, for me I can't mentally handle the stationary bike so I ride the mtn bike or road bike. For me jogging is a really poor cardioworkout as the longest I can go is about 40minutes to an hour. On my road bike, I can maintain a HR of 180bpm for 3-5 hours. Although I have found that running is a better workout to drop wieght, as for the cardio part, cycling is much better.

greyzen
09-20-2007, 12:47
one of my friends is a major success story.

He was at around 400lbs and bordering diabetic issues.
He went to Europe for work for 2weeks and was basically ashamed he couldn't sit in normal chairs/taxi's/etc.

Studied like mad for about a month on diet and nutrition and put it into action. He went out and bought a stationary bike, a console gaming thingie (like x-box, ps2, etc.) and a small television for it.

Sat on his bike playing video games for 40 - 60mins a night, and normally spent more like 70minutes. Completely changed his entire diet (No more fast-food, no more buffet, diet pills, healthy salads/etc.) for over a year.
He lost about 200 - 250lbs, and is now a very slim 6'3" and has a waist of like 28 - 30.

He's slowly incorporated fast-food into his diet, but mainly his concern is he is a true food addict. Him and his girlfriend went to Vegas and he got out of control, ate 14 desserts and then had two or three plates of food. After he finished he of course got sick for several hours and felt again horrible, but he's held his diet for a few years now.

greyzen
09-20-2007, 12:59
Do they really have just a motor? Link?



Called the fastlane

http://www.endlesspools.com/epflindex.html

Charles R
09-20-2007, 13:44
I perfer the eliptical less impact than running a treadmill and I dont like stationary bikes something with the seat

johnbaggs
09-22-2007, 20:01
When I first started getting back into shape I started biking because I was too fat and me knees and hips hurt too run. After about a month of biking and hitting the gym, I got 10-15 lbs off and could run again. So maybe just shed a few lbs and running again won't be so bad for you