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kingfish
11-05-2007, 16:40
Since my AOW i have been trying to improve my finning, and i was wondering if there are any sites that may help with learning how to do stuff like helicopter kicks and backing up and stuff like that.

Thanks,
Jas.

Silverlode
11-05-2007, 16:40
What is helicopter kick?

vadiver
11-05-2007, 16:46
Take a DIR-F course.

You will learn all the proper finning techniques—helicopter turns, backwards kick, frog, modified frog and modified flutter.

CompuDude
11-05-2007, 17:10
Since my AOW i have been trying to improve my finning, and i was wondering if there are any sites that may help with learning how to do stuff like helicopter kicks and backing up and stuff like that.

Thanks,
Jas.

I highly suggest you start budgeting for DIR-F if you truly want to improve your skill.

Meantime, the DVDs from 5thD-X/Breakthru Diving (http://www.5thd-x.com/) (especially the intro to tech DVD) and clips from this website (http://www.deepsouthdivers.org/training.html) will help you get you started.

Silverlode
11-05-2007, 17:34
Since my AOW i have been trying to improve my finning, and i was wondering if there are any sites that may help with learning how to do stuff like helicopter kicks and backing up and stuff like that.

Thanks,
Jas.

I highly suggest you start budgeting for DIR-F if you truly want to improve your skill.

Meantime, the DVDs from 5thD-X/Breakthru Diving (http://www.5thd-x.com/) (especially the intro to tech DVD) and clips from this website (http://www.deepsouthdivers.org/training.html) will help you get you started.

:smiley5: My mac quicktime could not play that! Some missing plugins and they don't tell me which ones. I dont want to be dl all plugins for QT! Anyone with OS X out there who could view the clips, please let me know what to use!

fireflock
11-05-2007, 17:44
DIR-F, by all reports, is great - but it might be overkill if what you're looking for is better finning techniques. Depending on your gear, you will have to beg/borrow/buy a significant amount of stuff just to take the class.

Another option is to take a Intro to Tech class taught by one of the other tech agencies. I know TDI offers one, and I think there are others. The gear requirements are more flexible, and you'll learn the kicks there too.

Every diver should learn to back kick. It will change the way you dive (for the better :smiley20:)

Rich

RoadRacer1978
11-05-2007, 17:46
Since my AOW i have been trying to improve my finning, and i was wondering if there are any sites that may help with learning how to do stuff like helicopter kicks and backing up and stuff like that.

Thanks,
Jas.

I highly suggest you start budgeting for DIR-F if you truly want to improve your skill.

Meantime, the DVDs from 5thD-X/Breakthru Diving (http://www.5thd-x.com/) (especially the intro to tech DVD) and clips from this website (http://www.deepsouthdivers.org/training.html) will help you get you started.

Thanks for the like CompuDude, I bookmarked the DeepSouthDivers website. Lots of good demonstrations on drills to practice.

CompuDude
11-05-2007, 18:48
Since my AOW i have been trying to improve my finning, and i was wondering if there are any sites that may help with learning how to do stuff like helicopter kicks and backing up and stuff like that.

Thanks,
Jas.

I highly suggest you start budgeting for DIR-F if you truly want to improve your skill.

Meantime, the DVDs from 5thD-X/Breakthru Diving (http://www.5thd-x.com/) (especially the intro to tech DVD) and clips from this website (http://www.deepsouthdivers.org/training.html) will help you get you started.

:smiley5: My mac quicktime could not play that! Some missing plugins and they don't tell me which ones. I dont want to be dl all plugins for QT! Anyone with OS X out there who could view the clips, please let me know what to use!

The VLC client VideoLAN.org (http://www.videolan.org) should be able to play it on your mac. :) Let me know if not, there are a couple of other players to try. They are using a really old, seldom used video codec. I had to dig through a player or two myself to get it to play.

liuk3
11-05-2007, 19:21
Take a DIR-F course.

You will learn all the proper finning techniques—helicopter turns, backwards kick, frog, modified frog and modified flutter.

How much do you have to budget in equipment purchases to take a DIR-F course assuming that you don't have any of the compliant gear?

CompuDude
11-05-2007, 19:29
Take a DIR-F course.

You will learn all the proper finning techniques—helicopter turns, backwards kick, frog, modified frog and modified flutter.

How much do you have to budget in equipment purchases to take a DIR-F course assuming that you don't have any of the compliant gear?

That depends on you, what gear you have now, and what gear you select. Anywhere from free if you can borrow all the needed gear, to several thousand dollars if you insist on all brand new top of the line gear from the most expensive companies.

Packages can make it relatively inexpensive, as can buying carefully selected used gear. I've seen it done reasonably well for $300, and I've seen people spend a LOT more.

There is a level of commitment that you will need to make, however.

You need, at a minimum:

A backplate and wing (lift should be 40# or less, no bungees)
and
Long hose regulators (~22" for secondary octo, 5'-7' primary) (NO AIR2-style regs)
and
Jet-fins (or something close enough for the instructor to ok... NO SPLITS)

That'll get you there for a rec pass.

A tech pass requires doubles and a canister light, and a drysuit is recommended.

liuk3
11-05-2007, 19:43
I will probably hold off on the class as much as I would like to take it, simply because if I have to buy any more gear, my wife will likely kill me. I also just dumped ~$2k buying brand new equipment for my wife which she has still yet to use. Ugh.

Thanks for the info, and sorry to hijack the thread.

in_cavediver
11-05-2007, 20:47
Places to learn good kicks:

DIR-F (so I've been told)
Good Intro to Tech class such as Advanced Nitrox
Cavern Class

OR

Mentored by a diver who has done the above and then some.

I personally think the mentor idea is slighter better simply because a class is a short term thing. A mentor is longer term. (though class then mentor is great)

kingfish
11-05-2007, 21:19
Thanks heaps for those links CompuDude.:smiley20:
I had to download the other thing to get them to work as well. :)

Im having trouble finding anyone close to me that does the DIR-F course for some reason.
I know there are a few people that do the TDI courses so maybe i should head towards those.

I would love to find a mentor.

Jas.

CompuDude
11-05-2007, 21:23
Thanks heaps for those links CompuDude.:smiley20:
I had to download the other thing to get them to work as well. :)

Im having trouble finding anyone close to me that does the DIR-F course for some reason.
I know there are a few people that do the TDI courses so maybe i should head towards those.

I would love to find a mentor.

Jas.

There are at least two GUE instructors in Australia:

gue.com/Training/Instructors/index.html (http://www.gue.com/Training/Instructors/index.html)

Steve Trewavas in Victoria, and Liam Allen in Sydney (I think... see the link).

If they're not super local, most GUE instructors will travel if you can put a class together. So tell a friend!

kingfish
11-05-2007, 21:44
Thats wicked, thanks mate.:)
I wonder how many people he would want to run a class.
I will email him i think, cheers.:fulle:

Jas.

Silverlode
11-15-2007, 09:34
Hey Jas,

How goes your enquiries? Since you're in Melbourne.... I'm letting you do that hard yakka.

kingfish
11-16-2007, 18:04
I have touched bases with the bloke that runs the course here and he is running a couple of courses early next year at about 1000 dollars.

I havent been game to mention this to my wife yet.:smiley36:
He runs the classes with a minimum of 3 people and max 4.

If you want more info let me know.:)

Jas.