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Moxie
07-22-2007, 12:52
How's that for a non-scuba question? Which one is going to win? Which one will better play back your home movies from Belize (or maybe it really is a dive question).
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ScubaToys Larry
07-22-2007, 13:10
My bet would be Sony since they bought up major studios...

cummings66
07-22-2007, 14:24
The answer is HD-DVD. The reason is price. Price trumps quality, witness Beta vs VHS, C band vs pizza box.
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<DIV>In this case HD-DVD is half the price of blu-ray and it will win by that reason alone.</DIV>
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<DIV>In my case I've chosen HD-DVD for my personal format at home, I have a collection started and certainly hope it wins.</DIV>
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<DIV>I know at my service schools that there's a lot of weight behind the Blu-Ray design and it does seem technically to be the one to choose. But, specs alone are not enough to win.</DIV>

the gooch
07-22-2007, 14:46
I wish HD-DVD would win the format war but I have a feeling it will be Blu-Ray in the end.

Moxie
07-22-2007, 16:25
I'm just going to wait it out... but it sure is taking its sweet time!

Queen
07-22-2007, 16:36
I don't pay attention to tech stuff very much...does this mean I have to replace my dvds?smileys/smiley19.gif

Cichlid
07-22-2007, 17:18
My bet would be Sony since they bought up major studios...




This is why Bluray will win, content is everything. The technology and
price of HD-DVD is better, but no one cares about that. I am/was
pulling for HD-DVD, but I don't think they'll have a chance. I own
both, and both are excellent, but most of the time the movies I like
are on Bluray.

tc_rain
07-22-2007, 19:01
I believe blu-ray will end up winning but it will be a while yet. Blu-ray will start to come down in price as the HD starts to pick up consumers. Blu-ray will then take over the competition.

Lucky(AR)
07-22-2007, 22:31
hd dvd because the price i think will factor in

Black-Gorrilla
07-22-2007, 23:02
well... who cares whats gonna win... in the end... one is gona end up just like laser discs.
but for now, i stick to DVD-REGULAR cause i watch them on my REUGLAR-TV on my REGULAR-SAMSUNG DVD PLAYER
and in the end, i can only hope we all go back to reg. DVD's

tc_rain
07-22-2007, 23:07
I believe regular DVD to our children will be like the 8 track to us

Judestudio
07-23-2007, 00:06
I have a gut feeling, Blu-Ray will win. Blu-Ray has got a much larger capacity compare to HD-DVD (25GB vs 15GB), entertainment quality and demand for capacity will only get larger and larger, look at video games and the amount of GC in movies nowadays. I think that justifies.

Not only Sony bought out major studios and titles, they're also invading into new appliances and collaborating with the majority of big brand appliances out there:

Blu-Ray Ally:
Apple Computer Corp.


Dell, Inc.


Hewlett Packard Company


Hitachi, Ltd.


LG Electronics Inc.


Mitsubishi Electric Corporation


Panasonic (Matsudoo dooa Electric)


Pioneer Corporation


Royal Philips Electronics


Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.


Sharp Corporation


Sony Corporation


TDK Corporation


Thomson


Twentieth Century Fox


Walt Disney Pictures and Television

HD-DVD Ally:
Toshiba Corporation


Hitachi Corporation
Memory-Tech Corporation


NEC Corporation


Sanyo Electric Co.


Blu-Ray has a good chance there...

waterspout
07-23-2007, 07:08
Blockbuster chose Blu-Ray for 1700 locations. I think we have a winner.....

Moxie
07-23-2007, 08:12
Isn't Microsoft affiliated with HD-DVD? Not that it matters that much, but I thought that's what I heard.
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<DIV>I'm even more convinced now that I'm going to wait. This debate doesn't seem any closer to a resolution than it did two years ago.</DIV>

ScubaToys Larry
07-23-2007, 08:16
Isn't Microsoft affiliated with HD-DVD?
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<DIV>Well, does that mean I'll have to hit the start button to stop a movie? </DIV>

Black-Gorrilla
07-24-2007, 06:11
^LOL

yes, microsoft is on the hd-dvd side (look at the 360, add on hd-dvd available)

Harshal
07-24-2007, 10:26
Real answer to this is whichever adult entertainment industry picks up, if you look back same thing happen when tapes came out and VHS was winner.
I know ppl would not be willing to agree on this one, but that the fact.
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Itsjustme0770
07-24-2007, 10:38
Neither. These formats are just an interim step. Everything will be broadband on demand at the end of the day.

TxHockeyGuy
07-24-2007, 11:00
Real answer to this is whichever adult entertainment industry picks up, if you look back same thing happen when tapes came out and VHS was winner. </font>
I know ppl would not be willing to agree on this one, but that the fact. </font>
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You are correct sir. And the majority of the adult industry has already chosen blu-ray. Blu-ray has already won, HD-DVD just doesn't know it yet.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/05/02/pornhd/index.php?lsrc=mwrss

Harshal
07-24-2007, 13:29
Real answer to this is whichever adult entertainment industry picks up, if you look back same thing happen when tapes came out and VHS was winner.
I know ppl would not be willing to agree on this one, but that the fact.
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You are correct sir. And the majority of the adult industry has already chosen blu-ray. Blu-ray has already won, HD-DVD just doesn't know it yet.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/05/02/pornhd/index.php?lsrc=mwrss

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<DIV>Yep not many people know this and thanks for posting the link to that article from industry analyst.</DIV>
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CompuDude
07-24-2007, 22:06
Except, that's no longer true. Look at the date on that article... it's over a year old. I recently heard the opposite. Porn has moved to HD-DVD. They wanted Blu-Ray, but the major players had trouble finding licensed facilities to work with them. Sony didn't want it's logo all over porn, it turns out. HD-DVDs are much easier to manufacture, to there is no shortage of sleezy factories willing to do anything for a price. (much like the porn industry) *rimshot*

I WANT Blu-Ray to win, because it is a technically superior product (see beta vs. vhs). I think HD-DVD stands a better chance, however, due to cost reasons (see beta vs. vhs).

Sony also seems determined to make it very costly for other manufacturers to make Blu-Ray devices, and is setting themselves up for a repeat of the BetaMax fiasco.

dmdoss
07-24-2007, 23:28
Will a regular DVD workin a HD-DVD player?

CompuDude
07-24-2007, 23:41
Will a regular DVD workin a HD-DVD player?
Yes.

georoc01
07-25-2007, 08:53
What I think will be interesting is how does the gaming market play into this. My DVD player has been either my laptop of Play Station 2. If Sony can get market penetration with the Play Station 3, that would get more players out into the market.
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<DIV>Of course, if Microsoft bundled the HD-DVD player into its XBOX 360 product, that would give them a huge edge, but they seem content to sell it as an addon.</DIV>

TxHockeyGuy
07-25-2007, 11:20
Except, that's no longer true. Look at the date on that article... it's over a year old. I recently heard the opposite. Porn has moved to HD-DVD. They wanted Blu-Ray, but the major players had trouble finding licensed facilities to work with them. Sony didn't want it's logo all over porn, it turns out. HD-DVDs are much easier to manufacture, to there is no shortage of sleezy factories willing to do anything for a price. (much like the porn industry) *rimshot*

I WANT Blu-Ray to win, because it is a technically superior product (see beta vs. vhs). I think HD-DVD stands a better chance, however, due to cost reasons (see beta vs. vhs).

Sony also seems determined to make it very costly for other manufacturers to make Blu-Ray devices, and is setting themselves up for a repeat of the BetaMax fiasco.



That's what I remembered as happening but I couldn't find an article stating that and figured I just remembered wrong, again. Well I went digging and found an article to that effect.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/01/13/155907.php

That is a huge market to lose and I think Sony is making a big mistake there. So long as they block out the porn industry HD-DVD can never truly die. Why can't companies just be happy with letting everyone using their format and just taking their money without bringing political and moral views into things?

CompuDude
07-25-2007, 11:48
"I'm fairly sure that if they took porn off the internet there would only be one website left and it would be called 'Bring back the porn'."

LMAO

Best line ever!

(Ok, that, and ScubaToys.)

Harshal
07-25-2007, 13:13
Except, that's no longer true. Look at the date on that article... it's over a year old. I recently heard the opposite. Porn has moved to HD-DVD. They wanted Blu-Ray, but the major players had trouble finding licensed facilities to work with them. Sony didn't want it's logo all over porn, it turns out. HD-DVDs are much easier to manufacture, to there is no shortage of sleezy factories willing to do anything for a price. (much like the porn industry) *rimshot*

I WANT Blu-Ray to win, because it is a technically superior product (see beta vs. vhs). I think HD-DVD stands a better chance, however, due to cost reasons (see beta vs. vhs).

Sony also seems determined to make it very costly for other manufacturers to make Blu-Ray devices, and is setting themselves up for a repeat of the BetaMax fiasco.

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Personally I did not lean towards any side of the technology, but just was mentioning the factor on which either of the technology would be winner.
Many of us don’t know that it was the adult entertainment industry was the first to come up with idea that people would buy online; they were the first one to come up with online shopping carts. Most of people today think Amazon was the company that started the trend of buying things online.
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That is very weird of sony to keep the manufacturing cost and equipment cost high, if they follow that model then I don’t think customer would ever wanna buy that, I don’t think I would wanna buy a movie costing $49.99 on Blu-Ray when I can get the same movie on HD-DVD for $9.99. </DIV>

Harshal
07-25-2007, 13:16
"I'm fairly sure that if they took porn off the internet there would only be one website left and it would be called 'Bring back the porn'."

LMAO

Best line ever!

(Ok, that, and ScubaToys.)

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You are absolutely right on this one. Look at the stats how many porn websites are accessed in the day and how many hrs people spend on them compared to other regular website.
Normally the research says if a consumer is on your website and site does not load within 3-5 secs consumer is no longer interested in looking at the site.
I don’t think that happens at porn site………………LMAO</DIV>

TxHockeyGuy
07-25-2007, 13:24
These numbers are taken from an anti-internet porn site so they are probably inflated, but even cutting them in half the numbers are fairly impressive.

Every second - $3,075.64 is being spent on pornography
</span>Every second - 28,258 Internet users are viewing pornography
</span>Every second - 372 Internet users are typing adult search terms into search engines
</span>Every 39 minutes: a new pornographic video is being created in the United States

That's a huge market Sony is cutting out. If they want to continue to control things I certainly hope that HD-DVD wins. I don't want Sony to start deciding that a specific topic or documentary isn't worthy of using their format.
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Harshal
07-25-2007, 14:03
These numbers are taken from an anti-internet porn site so they are probably inflated, but even cutting them in half the numbers are fairly impressive.

Every second - $3,075.64 is being spent on pornography
Every second - 28,258 Internet users are viewing pornography
Every second - 372 Internet users are typing adult search terms into search engines
Every 39 minutes: a new pornographic video is being created in the United States

That's a huge market Sony is cutting out. If they want to continue to control things I certainly hope that HD-DVD wins. I don't want Sony to start deciding that a specific topic or documentary isn't worthy of using their format.

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I guess Sony did not learn the lessons from Qualcomm, Qualcomm pioneered the CDMA technology then was used by all cellphones, and today Sprint and Verizon (TDMA) are still using it. Qualcomm decided they would charge heck lot of money for others to use the format they pioneered, what did the World say heck with you and GSM was born and now GSM rules and Qualcomm died out of the cellphone market.
I see same thing happening with Blu-Ray if Sony is going to be so stupid and not make it readily and affordably available. </DIV>

TAH 73
07-25-2007, 16:35
I hope Blue-ray hold's out as that's pretty much the only thing our PS3 is being used for at this point in time.
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skdvr
07-27-2007, 07:17
Well we have this debate all the time in my office. I work for a small video production company and we video tape a lot of wedding and other events. People are starting to ask about getting stuff in HD. We have HD cameras but are not outputting to HD yet.

I personally thing that HD-DVD will win it out even though BLU-Ray is a better format. HD-DVD has the name people will recognize and the price that they will like better.

Phil

cummings66
07-27-2007, 07:22
There's no practical difference between the two, but technically you could play back a longer movie with blu-ray when they actually take advantage of the larger format.

loudgonzo
07-27-2007, 07:29
Can't remember exactly off the top of my head, but isn't there a player that plays both HD and Blu-Ray? Can't go wrong there!

skdvr
07-27-2007, 11:15
I do know that Samsung was making a player to play both formats. I do not know if it was released or not. I am some what of a video junkie and I have not made the jump myself yet. I cannot decide which I would actually go out and spend my money on. I really think that HD-DVD will come out the winner but I am just willing to bet the cost of a player and the movies... Not just yet...

Phil

loudgonzo
07-27-2007, 11:32
Found it, can't copy the picture though. WAY TOO MUCH $$, I can find better use of $1200!! (wetsuit, computer, second set of regs...plus lots of little stuff)


LG Super Blu™ HD Player (BH100)

LG BH100
• HD DVD / Blu-ray hybrid


Price :
$1199.99

Black-Gorrilla
07-27-2007, 12:12
hmmm... maybe someone can enlighten me here...

why is it that some movies come in both formats, and some only on hd or blue-ray?

CompuDude
07-27-2007, 13:31
hmmm... maybe someone can enlighten me here...

why is it that some movies come in both formats, and some only on hd or blue-ray?
Licensing agreements.

Black-Gorrilla
07-27-2007, 13:54
so in the end it will come down to who can pay it?
so likely the one with the biggest names backing it will reign supreme... and some people are going to be left with a 2000's version of the Laser Disk...