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mudshark
12-13-2007, 02:44
I'm a few dives short of my 100th and have some certs but still need rescue diver. My local shop says I should go after Master Diver status when I accomplish these two goals. But why should I? It's not Divemaster and doesn't have the benefits/resposibilities associated with it and I have to go through more coursework and $$. What's the point? More money for padi?

Damselfish
12-13-2007, 05:27
no point that I see, it's just a marketing and sales thing.

If you don't have enough specialities and there aren't any more you want to take anyway, I don't see how it makes sense to take more just to get "Master Diver". It's not like 5 is a magic number. If you did already have enough specilties, I don't see why it makes sense to send PADI money for a card that doesn't teach you anything additional. But by all means, do Rescue.

adv_diver1
12-13-2007, 05:31
Get your Rescue cert and stay there.... it sounds cooler when you tell people who don't know about diving! ;-)

"I am a rescue diver" - Good pickup line I would think... but I have been out of that scene for many many many years!

I am taking mine this spring and will not move forward, but will take some of the side courses if they interest me or my diving becomes such that I need the info.

WV Diver
12-13-2007, 05:38
Master Diver just lets people know that you have 5 or more specialty classes and Rescue. No real need for it otherwise, except status I guess.

RoadRacer1978
12-13-2007, 07:11
If having the title makes you hapy, then go for it. If you could care less about having that title, then don't waste your money. For some people it is something to shoot for and have a sense of accomplishment once they do it.

Zenagirl
12-13-2007, 07:30
We're going to do our Master Scuba Diver, but only because we will happen to have all of the requirements next summer. We figure why the heck not? Same reason I got my DAN Dive Emergency Specialist card....met all the requirements, why not get the certification card too?

CaribbeanDiver
12-13-2007, 07:41
instead of PADI Master Scuba Diver, think NAUI Master Scuba Diver and you will actually learn something new, take dives that will enhance and improve your diving skill and graduate with a true sense of accomplishment.
Check the requirements for both and I believe you will agree.

BSea
12-13-2007, 08:00
I got my Master diver kind of by default. I took the classes I wanted to take, and since it was 5, and included rescue, I was a "Master Diver". I wouldn't take the extra course just to get the Master Diver unless it's something you want to take. My LDS has asked me a few times to go further, but I have no interest in teaching, so this is aboput as far as I will go unless I get into tech diving. Mine is SSI, but I think their requirements are similar to PADI.

SkuaSeptember
12-13-2007, 08:01
If you are interested in the specialties and are still looking to add to your circle of dive buddies with people who share similar objectives and interests, then the specialties are worth it. Rescue diver is a great course,absolutely worth it!
As for Master Scuba Diver, the certficate looks great hanging in the den or over the bar at home.
FWIW, if a student is willing to do 5 specialties and rescue diver with me, I pony up the cost of the PIC and send it in gratis.

mm_dm
12-13-2007, 08:17
instead of PADI Master Scuba Diver, think NAUI Master Scuba Diver and you will actually learn something new, take dives that will enhance and improve your diving skill and graduate with a true sense of accomplishment.
Check the requirements for both and I believe you will agree.

Agreed. This is a difficult course and well worth the time and effort.

DivingCRNA
12-13-2007, 09:05
We're going to do our Master Scuba Diver, but only because we will happen to have all of the requirements next summer. We figure why the heck not? Same reason I got my DAN Dive Emergency Specialist card....met all the requirements, why not get the certification card too?

I had 5 specialties and took rescue. I got the card just to play a joke on a dive buddy who is VERY competitive. Believe me, I do not for one second think that Master Scuba Diver Card makes me a great diver.

But the joke was worth the price of the card pic!

I am doing Dive Master book work right now. That one will be worth having.

Ber Rabbit
12-13-2007, 09:56
The NAUI Master Diver would be a worthwhile course to take since it actually IS a course. There's a lot to learn in the NAUI class, if you have a good instructor you certainly won't be disappointed that you took it. Besides wouldn't it be fun to show the shop your NAUI Master Diver card and say "You were right! Master Diver was a GREAT idea!"
Ber

Mtrewyn
12-13-2007, 10:05
If having the title makes you hapy, then go for it. If you could care less about having that title, then don't waste your money. For some people it is something to shoot for and have a sense of accomplishment once they do it.


I feel the same way, I don't care about the "letters" after someone's Name, If I like them they get my respect, if I don't like them they can have all the alphabet soup in the world, and I still won't like them regardless.

Sorry for the medical reference, but I pick my Dr.'s by their treatment of the nurses, and techs, not how they tread the patients, to me it shows good charter to treat subordinates well.

WV Diver
12-14-2007, 07:08
I got my Master diver kind of by default. I took the classes I wanted to take, and since it was 5, and included rescue, I was a "Master Diver". I wouldn't take the extra course just to get the Master Diver unless it's something you want to take.

This was my situation also.

JMAY
12-14-2007, 09:35
It is a lot about marketing, but the more experience you have like specialties the better diver you can become. Rescue is a definite. In the Rescue class you learn how to help other divers in need. Now, Master Scuba Diver or not…if you plan to get the specialties anyway, why not apply for Master Scuba Diver?

MSilvia
12-14-2007, 09:41
Now, Master Scuba Diver or not…if you plan to get the specialties anyway, why not apply for Master Scuba Diver?
To turn that on it's head, why would you pay again to be recognized for something you've already been recognized for learning? What do you get for your money besides a laminated card?

If you just want to buy a cool title, I'll confer one on you for half that price. Of course, if you'll be satisfied with a title like "sucker", I'll give it to you for free.

The NAUI master course sounds worthwhile though... at least it tries to teach you something.

Mycroft
12-14-2007, 09:53
I went ahead and got the card. I already had the 4 other specialties and Rescue is a good course. (Under SSI you need 4 specialties for AOW and add Rescue and you qualify for Master Diver, other than needed 50 dives. And then I got my "Century Diver" card from SSI as well. That one only requires 100 logged dives.

Besides, now I can put "MD" next to my name. LOL.

wheelman
12-14-2007, 09:54
It's starting to smell like agency wars... I don't think there is anything wrong with rewarding yourself for training and experience. As for the additional cost... if you don't fund these agencies they go away. Just like most of the businesses in the small town I grew up in.... now just a ghost town but the Walmart is thriving.

Kingpatzer
12-14-2007, 10:21
The PADI Master Diver cert is nothing more than a collector card for people who value cards more than money. There's nothing wrong with it, but it signifies nothing.

The NAUI Master Diver cert is a serious certification that indicates mastery of a significant number of skills (when taught by a respectable instructor).

NAUI Master Diver is, imho, well worth the investment prior to doing divemaster in either PADI or NAUI. NAUI will recognize the PADI OW, AOW, and Rescue certs to fulfill the prerequisites, and if you choose to go on to divemaster in either agency, you'll be much better prepared for it (and in NAUI it's required).

MSilvia
12-14-2007, 10:30
It's starting to smell like agency wars... I don't have a problem with any one agency compared to others, as each has it's strengths. What I take issue with is selling "recognition" for things you've already paid them for.

As for the additional cost... if you don't fund these agencies they go away. Just like most of the businesses in the small town I grew up in.... now just a ghost town but the Walmart is thriving.I take it that if, after spending $1000 on tools and materials at the local hardware store, they offered to sell you a useless "Master Tool Owner" card for another $150 you'd think that was a good way to reward yourself and support the company? Personally, I'd think keeping the $150 would be a better reward, and if I were to spend that money, I'd want to get something more than recognition for having spent it.

I've got to be honest with you... if I had a choice of buying what I needed at Wal-Mart or buying it from a local vendor who was going to offer me the opportunity to "reward myself" with useless stuff, I'd shop at Wal Mart without remorse. If the useless crap vendor goes out of business, maybe it's because they should have tried selling things with real value. There's absolutely no reason that Master Scuba Diver couldn't be a challenging course that teaches a lot of skills that aren't covered in other PADI classes, like SMB deployment, gas management, using jon lines, etc., but it isn't... it's just a card you get as thanks for your money.

JMAY
12-14-2007, 11:35
My gosh, I thought diving was about having fun, meeting new people, and doing new challenging things. So much hostility…lol.

Look, Diving is a hobby and how many hobbies are cheap? I understand that not spending money wisely is not good for anyone. However, the diving industry is “Self-Regulated,” which means that we do not have the government regulating us and telling us what to do. I, as a Padi Instructor, completely understand your point about paying Padi more money than they need and for every little cert. and every time you breathe it seems. They have sure taken much of my money over the years. But, these agencies do provide services such as training and protection from government regulation, etc… As with any business there are costs involved and they have to make money to stay open. I don’t think I want the part-time employee at Walmart selling me “life support” equipment. How many mask sets that are bought from Walmart last more than a season?

I agree the Master Diver cert. is more for ego or pride than any other reason. Some people like recognition, others don’t. If you like to be recognized for what you did, then by all means get your Master Diver cert.

MSilvia
12-14-2007, 12:21
Diving is a hobby and how many hobbies are cheap?
Don't misunderstand... I in no way think diving should be cheap, and I'll gladly fork over piles of cash for good training, quality gear, etc. Over the years, I've spent more than I care to think on this sport, and I consider most of that money well spent.


I, as a Padi Instructor, completely understand your point about paying Padi more money than they need and for every little cert. and every time you breathe it seems. They have sure taken much of my money over the years. But, these agencies do provide services such as training…
Actually, that isn't my point at all. I've gotten some good (and some not-so-good) instruction from PADI, and while I think some courses could be improved, I don't begrudge them charging for a legion of "little certs". I begrudge them taking money for certifying people to do nothing more than they've already been trained and certified to do, and marketing that as the pinnacle of non-professional dive training, which it clearly is not.

That's a scam any way you cut it, and scams (especially by otherwise reputable agencies) rankle me something fierce.

As with any business there are costs involved and they have to make money to stay open.Great, they need to make money. I'd be glad to pay it to them if I was getting something of value in exchange. Is there some compelling reason that they can't offer an upper level diver training course that teaches new, valuable skills that aren't provided to divers in their other course offerings? If not, then I have no sympathy for them needing the money. I need the money too, and unlike an agency hoping to be paid for "re-recognition" of still-valid certifications they've already issued, I do something to earn mine. If they want my money, they'll have to offer me something of equal value in return.

I don’t think I want the part-time employee at Walmart selling me “life support” equipment. How many mask sets that are bought from Walmart last more than a season?
This isn't about buying shoddy dive gear from wal-mart... it's about not getting any value for your money from PADI's Master Diver "certification".

If you like to be recognized for what you did, then by all means get your Master Diver cert. Call me naive, but when I got certification cards for each of the pre-requisite courses and specialties, I thought that WAS recognition of having completed that training. How many diplomas did you need when you graduated from high school? Would you have paid extra after recieving a college degree for a certificate recognizing that you had completed both high school AND college?

CompuDude
12-14-2007, 12:27
PADI's Master Diver is a money-making scheme, pure and simple. It's great to have the Rescue cert, and it's great to have 5 specialties. But to charge someone to "recognize" that they have that, and no other training? That's absurd. If they just sent a card out for free, it would be one thing. But charging someone extra for the card with the word "Master" on it is pure greed.

NAUI's Master Diver program, however, is a very worthwhile program.

Kingpatzer
12-14-2007, 12:57
My gosh, I thought diving was about having fun, meeting new people, and doing new challenging things. So much hostility…lol.

I'm personally not hostile in my response at all. If you read hostility there, you've completely mis-understood my intent. I've got numerous certs through PADI and plan on getting a few more. My local PADI dive shop is filled with a some great instructors and an even better CD.


Look, Diving is a hobby and how many hobbies are cheap?


The overall expense of the hobby has not been raised in this thread as an issue.



I understand that not spending money wisely is not good for anyone.


Then you recognize that spending money for no additional return service or product other than a card that can be made for about 20 cents in materials makes little sense, correct?




However, the diving industry is “Self-Regulated,” which means that we do not have the government regulating us and telling us what to do.


This statement is immaterial to any argument being raised in this thread.



I, as a Padi Instructor, completely understand your point about paying Padi more money than they need and for every little cert.


No one has complained about PADI charging for each instruction filled class and certification regardless of how little instruction is involved. The complaint is being asked to pay for certifications that do not in fact recognize any achievement.



and every time you breathe it seems. They have sure taken much of my money over the years. But, these agencies do provide services such as training and protection from government regulation, etc…


It is, of course, arguable that lack of government regulation is a problem, but that's also not material to this particular discussion.



As with any business there are costs involved and they have to make money to stay open.


How oh how have NAUI and the YMCA survived as non-profits all these years? It's a miracle!



I don’t think I want the part-time employee at Walmart selling me “life support” equipment. How many mask sets that are bought from Walmart last more than a season?


How many bowling balls have I purchased from PADI? This isn't a discussion about the merits of a particular retailing strategy, it's about the value of the PADI Master Diver certification over other certifications.



I agree the Master Diver cert. is more for ego or pride than any other reason. Some people like recognition, others don’t. If you like to be recognized for what you did, then by all means get your Master Diver cert.

Every course results in recognition.

Here's my question for you -- you're a PADI instructor, correct? Have you taken the NAUI Master Scuba Diver course? If not, might I suggest you do so, so that you might see what PADI is missing for yourself? I think you'll come to see the point being made by myself and others here,which is this: there is a master scuba certification out there that is worth getting, and it isn't PADI's.

And I say that as someone who is, overall, quite happy to be certified by and a member of PADI.

MSilvia
12-14-2007, 13:17
there is a master scuba certification out there that is worth getting, and it isn't PADI's.
Well summarized.
:smiley32:

wheelman
12-14-2007, 17:12
It's starting to smell like agency wars... I don't have a problem with any one agency compared to others, as each has it's strengths. What I take issue with is selling "recognition" for things you've already paid them for.

As for the additional cost... if you don't fund these agencies they go away. Just like most of the businesses in the small town I grew up in.... now just a ghost town but the Walmart is thriving.

I take it that if, after spending $1000 on tools and materials at the local hardware store, they offered to sell you a useless "Master Tool Owner" card for another $150 you'd think that was a good way to reward yourself and support the company? Personally, I'd think keeping the $150 would be a better reward, and if I were to spend that money, I'd want to get something more than recognition for having spent it.

I've got to be honest with you... if I had a choice of buying what I needed at Wal-Mart or buying it from a local vendor who was going to offer me the opportunity to "reward myself" with useless stuff, I'd shop at Wal Mart without remorse. If the useless crap vendor goes out of business, maybe it's because they should have tried selling things with real value. There's absolutely no reason that Master Scuba Diver couldn't be a challenging course that teaches a lot of skills that aren't covered in other PADI classes, like SMB deployment, gas management, using jon lines, etc., but it isn't... it's just a card you get as thanks for your money.

Just to set the record straight... My only point was that if you don't support the agencies (non-profit or otherwise) they will not exist any more. Whether or not there is value in spending the extra money to get the master cert from padi can only really be made by each individual. Are there other certs that are more meaningful? Absolutely.

CompuDude
12-14-2007, 17:58
Just to set the record straight... My only point was that if you don't support the agencies (non-profit or otherwise) they will not exist any more. Whether or not there is value in spending the extra money to get the master cert from padi can only really be made by each individual. Are there other certs that are more meaningful? Absolutely.

While that may be true, in order to get MSD, you've already "supported" PADI to the tune of OW, AOW, Rescue, and 5 specialties, and of course the requisite books for each. I think they're covered.

Other agencies (NAUI being the obvious example) have an MSD rating as well, the difference is they actually give you instruction in return for your card fee.

RikRaeder
12-14-2007, 18:10
PADI's Master Diver is a money-making scheme, pure and simple. It's great to have the Rescue cert, and it's great to have 5 specialties...If they just sent a card out for free, it would be one thing. But charging someone extra for the card with the word "Master" on it is pure greed.

As a way to entice people into getting more training, the certification (is it really a cert?) is pretty benevolent. It offers a level after AOW to shoot for through more education and experience.
I do take issue with the name itself though; Master Diver. To me, a master is one who is supremely competent at one's craft and has a good deal of experience in exercising said craft. Knowing some folks who are, or will soon be "Master Divers," I easily say that this isn't always the case.
I've read NAUI's Master requirements, and it does seem a better class, but still, perhaps, not worthy of the title of Master. (Although it does have higher experience requirements and IF I were to take such a class, would probably take that one).
Returning to the case of my aquiantences, I love to hear them crow about being Master Divers, then to be unable to answer simple questions from OW training. More like Masters of Disaster. (I don't dive with them).

CompuDude
12-14-2007, 18:28
PADI's Master Diver is a money-making scheme, pure and simple. It's great to have the Rescue cert, and it's great to have 5 specialties...If they just sent a card out for free, it would be one thing. But charging someone extra for the card with the word "Master" on it is pure greed.

As a way to entice people into getting more training, the certification (is it really a cert?) is pretty benevolent. It offers a level after AOW to shoot for through more education and experience.
I do take issue with the name itself though; Master Diver. To me, a master is one who is supremely competent at one's craft and has a good deal of experience in exercising said craft. Knowing some folks who are, or will soon be "Master Divers," I easily say that this isn't always the case.
I've read NAUI's Master requirements, and it does seem a better class, but still, perhaps, not worthy of the title of Master. (Although it does have higher experience requirements and IF I were to take such a class, would probably take that one).
Returning to the case of my aquiantences, I love to hear them crow about being Master Divers, then to be unable to answer simple questions from OW training. More like Masters of Disaster. (I don't dive with them).

NAUI's program is pretty rigorous. It's essentially a DiveMaster class, with all the same academics, without all the instruction about instruction. Just reading the requirements isn't exactly a thorough understanding of what all comes out of the class.

And while I certainly agree with you 100%, if you're going to take exception to PADI's MSD title, we should probably re-open the argument on the validity of PADI's "Advanced" Open Water title, as well. ;)

RikRaeder
12-14-2007, 18:41
...if you're going to take exception to PADI's MSD title, we should probably re-open the argument on the validity of PADI's "Advanced" Open Water title, as well. ;)

You're preaching to the choire there. I didn't want to make my response a manifesto, but there it is.

mm_dm
12-14-2007, 20:24
...if you're going to take exception to PADI's MSD title, we should probably re-open the argument on the validity of PADI's "Advanced" Open Water title, as well. ;)

You're preaching to the choire there. I didn't want to make my response a manifesto, but there it is.


"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
-Darwin

MSilvia
12-14-2007, 22:33
I'm a few dives short of my 100th and have some certs but still need rescue diver. My local shop says I should go after Master Diver status when I accomplish these two goals. But why should I?
Getting back to the OP, in my opinion, you shouldn't, but by all means continue your training through specialty courses that interest you.

RikRaeder
12-15-2007, 05:58
["Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"-Darwin

So you are trying to infer that I am ignorant? How so? Of what? Or did you have some other meaning. Your post is unclear.

DivingCRNA
12-15-2007, 08:51
PADI's Master Diver is a money-making scheme, pure and simple. It's great to have the Rescue cert, and it's great to have 5 specialties...If they just sent a card out for free, it would be one thing. But charging someone extra for the card with the word "Master" on it is pure greed.

As a way to entice people into getting more training, the certification (is it really a cert?) is pretty benevolent. It offers a level after AOW to shoot for through more education and experience.
I do take issue with the name itself though; Master Diver. To me, a master is one who is supremely competent at one's craft and has a good deal of experience in exercising said craft. Knowing some folks who are, or will soon be "Master Divers," I easily say that this isn't always the case.
I've read NAUI's Master requirements, and it does seem a better class, but still, perhaps, not worthy of the title of Master. (Although it does have higher experience requirements and IF I were to take such a class, would probably take that one).
Returning to the case of my aquiantences, I love to hear them crow about being Master Divers, then to be unable to answer simple questions from OW training. More like Masters of Disaster. (I don't dive with them).

NAUI's program is pretty rigorous. It's essentially a DiveMaster class, with all the same academics, without all the instruction about instruction. Just reading the requirements isn't exactly a thorough understanding of what all comes out of the class.

And while I certainly agree with you 100%, if you're going to take exception to PADI's MSD title, we should probably re-open the argument on the validity of PADI's "Advanced" Open Water title, as well. ;)

So, if you do PADI Master Diver and Dive Master, you got NAUI covered, plus the info about instruction?

mm_dm
12-15-2007, 23:59
So, if you do PADI Master Diver and Dive Master, you got NAUI covere

Brother, you get those two down and I'd be happy to call you my dive buddy.

Firefyter
12-16-2007, 08:44
So, if you do PADI Master Diver and Dive Master, you got NAUI covered, plus the info about instruction?

You would think, but it's not necessarily so. The Naui Master Diver course is tough. Anytime a DM or Instructor from any other agency wants to do a crossover to Naui, they have to take the Master Diver exam. Lots fail.

DivingCRNA
12-16-2007, 13:56
So, if you do PADI Master Diver and Dive Master, you got NAUI covered, plus the info about instruction?

You would think, but it's not necessarily so. The Naui Master Diver course is tough. Anytime a DM or Instructor from any other agency wants to do a crossover to Naui, they have to take the Master Diver exam. Lots fail.

Do you have a source for this assertion? I am not bashing NAUI. I just like a source that is better than a guy I do not know saying it on the internet :smiley2:

in_cavediver
12-16-2007, 16:24
So, if you do PADI Master Diver and Dive Master, you got NAUI covered, plus the info about instruction?

You would think, but it's not necessarily so. The Naui Master Diver course is tough. Anytime a DM or Instructor from any other agency wants to do a crossover to Naui, they have to take the Master Diver exam. Lots fail.

Do you have a source for this assertion? I am not bashing NAUI. I just like a source that is better than a guy I do not know saying it on the internet :smiley2:

I can verify half of it. To crossover to NAUI leadership levels from another agency, you have do a prep class which includes the master diver exam (as told to me by a NAUI IT. Since moved out of state). I know this because at some point, I plan to do it. (gotta find a compatible to my philosophies NAUI IT that's close first though, still looking. Actually, still looking for a non-padi IT that's close for that matter)

As for how many fail it, from my experience seeing some OWSI's from all agencies, some are bound to fail it. I don't know if 'lots' do though.

Duckydiver
12-16-2007, 18:32
I plan on stoping after rescue.
As for those specialty classes, I just pay for the instruction not the card. Leves me more money for more instruction.

mudshark
12-17-2007, 01:57
Thanks to all who replied to my original question. It seems my initial suspicions (sp?) were correct. I continued to get specialties to become a better diver--eanx, navigation, buoyancy, search and recovery and drysuit (training the shop included when I bought one). Rescue is definitely in the plans.

I didn't think fish ID would be particularly helpful to my education. I think I know what a fish looks like and if not, there's lots of books to tell me without paying for a course to tell me the difference between a tail fin and a dorsal fin..

CompuDude
12-17-2007, 12:45
NAUI's program is pretty rigorous. It's essentially a DiveMaster class, with all the same academics, without all the instruction about instruction. Just reading the requirements isn't exactly a thorough understanding of what all comes out of the class.

And while I certainly agree with you 100%, if you're going to take exception to PADI's MSD title, we should probably re-open the argument on the validity of PADI's "Advanced" Open Water title, as well. ;)

So, if you do PADI Master Diver and Dive Master, you got NAUI covered, plus the info about instruction?

Pretty much, notwithstanding the comments from others above about NAUI's exam being tougher. There's no need whatsoever to actually pay for the PADI Master Diver card just to go Dive Master, however. You just need Rescue, no need to fork over the cash for Master Diver, whether or not you already have enough specialty certs to qualify. I only did it as a favor to my instructor friend, who needed the certs to make the next level. I don't even carry the MSD card with me. When I'm diving recreationally, I don't use my DM card, I use my Rescue card. My MSD card lives in a drawer at home, partially in protest to the lameness of the thing. There's just no need whatsoever.

Kingpatzer
12-17-2007, 13:03
There's no need whatsoever to actually pay for the PADI Master Diver card just to go Dive Master

That said, I personally enjoyed doing the NAUI Master Diver class prior to getting the PADI DM cert (which I start as soon as the lakes thaw).

Not only did it help give me a more solid grounding in basic scuba stuff prior to the DM class, it also provided the advantage of seeing how another organization looks at the same subject matter. Avoiding agency myopia when obtaining professional status is a good thing, imho.

DivingCRNA
12-17-2007, 16:35
NAUI's program is pretty rigorous. It's essentially a DiveMaster class, with all the same academics, without all the instruction about instruction. Just reading the requirements isn't exactly a thorough understanding of what all comes out of the class.

And while I certainly agree with you 100%, if you're going to take exception to PADI's MSD title, we should probably re-open the argument on the validity of PADI's "Advanced" Open Water title, as well. ;)

So, if you do PADI Master Diver and Dive Master, you got NAUI covered, plus the info about instruction?

Pretty much, notwithstanding the comments from others above about NAUI's exam being tougher. There's no need whatsoever to actually pay for the PADI Master Diver card just to go Dive Master, however. You just need Rescue, no need to fork over the cash for Master Diver, whether or not you already have enough specialty certs to qualify. I only did it as a favor to my instructor friend, who needed the certs to make the next level. I don't even carry the MSD card with me. When I'm diving recreationally, I don't use my DM card, I use my Rescue card. My MSD card lives in a drawer at home, partially in protest to the lameness of the thing. There's just no need whatsoever.

When I dive recreationally, I use my AOW card, unless I am diving EAN, then I use the EAN card. On the boats I go on in the Caribbean, AOW is enough to make them happy.

My specialty cards, Rescue Card, and Master Diver card stay at home. I imagine my DM card will stay home when I earn it. If I lose my AOW or OW card, I have plenty of back-ups!

I do not want to look like a know it all to the DM on the boat. I just want to dive. All my "intense" dives are deep shore dives in the midwest without a DM in sight.

CompuDude
12-17-2007, 16:53
NAUI's program is pretty rigorous. It's essentially a DiveMaster class, with all the same academics, without all the instruction about instruction. Just reading the requirements isn't exactly a thorough understanding of what all comes out of the class.

And while I certainly agree with you 100%, if you're going to take exception to PADI's MSD title, we should probably re-open the argument on the validity of PADI's "Advanced" Open Water title, as well. ;)

So, if you do PADI Master Diver and Dive Master, you got NAUI covered, plus the info about instruction?

Pretty much, notwithstanding the comments from others above about NAUI's exam being tougher. There's no need whatsoever to actually pay for the PADI Master Diver card just to go Dive Master, however. You just need Rescue, no need to fork over the cash for Master Diver, whether or not you already have enough specialty certs to qualify. I only did it as a favor to my instructor friend, who needed the certs to make the next level. I don't even carry the MSD card with me. When I'm diving recreationally, I don't use my DM card, I use my Rescue card. My MSD card lives in a drawer at home, partially in protest to the lameness of the thing. There's just no need whatsoever.

When I dive recreationally, I use my AOW card, unless I am diving EAN, then I use the EAN card. On the boats I go on in the Caribbean, AOW is enough to make them happy.

My specialty cards, Rescue Card, and Master Diver card stay at home. I imagine my DM card will stay home when I earn it. If I lose my AOW or OW card, I have plenty of back-ups!

I do not want to look like a know it all to the DM on the boat. I just want to dive. All my "intense" dives are deep shore dives in the midwest without a DM in sight.

Rescue does not make you look like a know-it-all, it tells the DM on the boat that you care enough to continue your training in ways that benefit others. Def. a step above the norm. MSD is another story, IMO.

My Rescue card is a combo card that lists EANx cert as well. If you buy a replacement card from PADI you have the option of listing both, assuming you have a PADI EANx cert. That way I have one less card I need to carry. :)