OxyCheq Razor Wing

[Lj82]

Guys, I just saw this item on ST's website and am seriously tempted by it.
Can anyone tell me the difference (advantages and disadvantages) of the razor wing as compared to the much more expensive signature series?
Many thanks in advance!

[mm_dm]

The Razor is a one piece unit without a internal bladder, or zipper to access it. I'd check to see if it has the built in roll tabs unless you were going to use a STA anyway. Looks like a good deal.

BTW, one of my own wings is sealed similarly and I have had no issues with it leaking of getting punctured.

[Lj82]

Thanks mm_dm,
I am indeed planning to get the STA as well. I also own a oxycheq bladderless wing with no issues thus far. I don't really see the need for an additional cover, but perhaps others who know more can enlighten me.

[scubachris]

I just got my Sig Mach V. I think the primary difference is the bladder design...it is 1 layer instead of 2 (which makes it slightly lighter than the Mach V). There should be no problems if you are doing normal rec diving!Oh...Mach V has a more streamlined profile due to the "cam slot-less" design in the centre panel

[crandf]

Have u seen Floaters thread yet? Oxycheq Mach V Razor 30# (with pics) - ScubaBoard
It looks really narrow as well, even the center panel looks similarly narrow.


EDIT: Hmmm, on closer inspection, it seems to be an entirely different wing, but strangely hard to find any info about it online other than from Floater's threads.

[scubachris]

Originally Posted by crandf

Have u seen Floaters thread yet? Oxycheq Mach V Razor 30# (with pics) - ScubaBoard
It looks really narrow as well, even the center panel looks similarly narrow.

Certainly looks small! seems different from the one on ST website..the one from Lj82's link!

[DevilDiver]

The original link was for the Razor the follow up links are the Mach V wing.
The Razor is an older wing that does not have the stabilizers so you are not required to have a STA and a larger profile than the Mach V. Still a good wing though......

[CWSWine]

Originally Posted by scubachris

I just got my Sig Mach V. I think the primary difference is the bladder design...it is 1 layer instead of 2 (which makes it slightly lighter than the Mach V). There should be no problems if you are doing normal rec diving!Oh...Mach V has a more streamlined profile due to the "cam slot-less" design in the centre panel

Unless you got some really old stock the Mach V is not "Cam Slot-less". There is several threads over the last year or so that talks about the description on ST being incorrect for the current model that is shipping. Check by the roll tabs and you will see the cam slots. I have one purchase Dec 08 that I use tank straps and no STA or with a STA.

[Splitlip]

The ones for sale, If I am not mistaken, are the original Razors. Yes bladderless. The 30# is not a Mach V. But a great wing. (I sold mine to Pete). Floater's Razor is the Mach V version. Patrick no longer manufactures bladderless wings.
The larger wing is a doubles. Bill Hogarth (HOG) Main dived one in many adverse conditions. For all I know he still uses it.

Not having roll control tabs is not that big a deal. The issues when going STAless don't happen once both bands are cinched.

Now here is some history for you guys. How the Oxycheq Mach V came about:
The great Scubaboard Donut v. Horseshoe debate. I think it spanned two anums. '05 and '06.

In the midst were Patrick Duffy (Oxycheq) and Tobin George (DSS). The discussion started innocently about Donuts V. Horseshoes. Oxy was one of the early Donut manufacturers and DSS was the first manufacturer to offer a narrow single tank wing.

As happens on Scubaboard a flaming pissing contest ensued. Eventually, Patrick and Tobin were drawn in. It bacame a " less filling/tastes great" debate. Patrick speaking to the advantages of donut and Tobin speaking to the advantages of a narrow profile.
Ultimately, Tobin stated a narrow profile donut could not be manufactured with an inner and outer shell as the zipper would not allow.

Patrick at Oxycheq, retrieved that gauntlet and designed a narrow donut. The Mach V was born.

No one, including Patrick expected it to be as well received as it was nor how sturdy a dive platform it is. The rest is history.

DSS countered with the Torus Single Wing, but no zipper. So if there is a problem with the inner bladder, the unit has to be shipped back to Cali for repair.

[FishFood]

Very interesting. Good history lesson Split!