just getting into tech

[CompuDude]

Originally Posted by MSilvia

Maybe or maybe not needed to start with. It was a requirement for my Adv. Nitrox/deco/rec. trimix class, but we were doing 145' checkout dives in 38 degree water, so both the insulation and redundant buoyancy were "must have".

That aside, off topic discussions of what is and is not DIR, and how DIR and tech and Hogarthian diving are different bore the crap out of me.

That's pretty much what I said, isn't it? Depends on location, too... if you're training in the Cayman's (or the Red Sea), it's not certain to be required. And that's without getting into things like double wings.

By "Start with", however, I was more referring to Fundies and other basic starting points, than the full blown tech classes.

You're right, though... I should have said "not always need to start with..."

[SiscoKid]

Originally Posted by Splitlip

Right.
Lamar certainly is not DIR, yet DiveRite is one of the leaders in tec gear. They were the pioneers of cave.

There is only one "DIR" manufacturer. That is Halcyon which Scubatoys does not carry. (They have very strict internet sales and pricing controls like Scubapro has)

"DIR and tec" does not belong in one subforum like this. Even Scubabaord has DIR, Cave, Hog, etc subforums.

I would like to think when I'm doing a Tec dive below 150 to 300 I am Doing It Right. Diving my CCR most deep dives are solo dives even if I have 2 or 3 buddies diving with me. Avery thing is check and double check I have OC gas to get me back to the surfice if the CCR has a devastating problem. Out of five years no problem, purity good odds. Its abut backup and more backup and nowing your Skills like the back of your hand.

[MSilvia]

Originally Posted by SiscoKid

I would like to think when I'm doing a Tec dive below 150 to 300 I am Doing It Right.

There's a difference between doing it correctly/properly and "Doing It Right". I'm sure there's nothing wrong with the way you're doing it, but it just confuses people when you capitalize "doing it right" when you aren't following DIR protocols.

[MSilvia]

Originally Posted by CompuDude

You're right, though... I should have said "not always need to start with..."

I didn't mean to contradict what you said, so much as to add to it. Depending on the tech diving someone has planned, getting used to a drysuit could be anything from something "you'll probably want eventually" to something "you should be comfortable with before you bother looking at doubles".

It was a required/very strongly recommended piece of gear for my fundies class as well.

[CompuDude]

Originally Posted by MSilvia

I didn't mean to contradict what you said, so much as to add to it. Depending on the tech diving someone has planned, getting used to a drysuit could be anything from something "you'll probably want eventually" to something "you should be comfortable with before you bother looking at doubles".

It was a required/very strongly recommended piece of gear for my fundies class as well.

Yeah, we're on the same page.

[Splitlip]

Originally Posted by SiscoKid

I would like to think when I'm doing a Tec dive below 150 to 300 I am Doing It Right. Diving my CCR most deep dives are solo dives even if I have 2 or 3 buddies diving with me. Avery thing is check and double check I have OC gas to get me back to the surfice if the CCR has a devastating problem. Out of five years no problem, purity good odds. Its abut backup and more backup and nowing your Skills like the back of your hand.

Do you know what "DIR" means in the context of this sub-forum? I think not.

I was not arguing with you.

Sheesh.

[Splitlip]

Kid:
This is a gear forum.
When you order a 1 piece harness package from DR, you get 4 D-rings (crotch strap aside) as with OMS or Oxy.

Order from Halcyon, you only get 3. A d-ring on the right hip/waist is not permited. Not DIR. It is even reflected here in the their weight pockets. The left has a d-ring for SPG and for stages/slung bottles. No d-rings on the right, because that side is reserve for the canister light. (although they are getting pretty small today)
Even computers are not "DIR".

This may have better been tagged "Hogarthian".

I subscribe to most of the GUE fundementals. But, I just think this is the wrong tag for this forum. It perpetuates misconceptions.

[jj1987]

Originally Posted by Splitlip

Kid:
This is a gear forum.
When you order a 1 piece harness package from DR, you get 4 D-rings (crotch strap aside) as with OMS or Oxy.

Order from Halcyon, you only get 3. A d-ring on the right hip/waist is not permited. Not DIR. It is even reflected here in the their weight pockets. The left has a d-ring for SPG and for stages/slung bottles. No d-rings on the right, because that side is reserve for the canister light. (although they are getting pretty small today)
Even computers are not "DIR".

This may have better been tagged "Hogarthian".

I subscribe to most of the GUE fundementals. But, I just think this is the wrong tag for this forum. It perpetuates misconceptions.

I think your post might confuse people a bit, although you're on the right track.

First, Halcyon webbing has 4 drings. You'll want to have a butt dring for things like a primary reel, a crotch dring for a scooter, a right chest dring for your backup lights and clipping off 2nd stages, a left chest dring for backup lights and stages, and a left waist dring for the bottom of stages, as well as your stage leash.

Next, the reason for not having a right side dring is because you don't put stage bottles there due to it trapping the long hose.

[ianr33]

Originally Posted by jj1987

First, Halcyon webbing has 4 drings. You'll want to have a butt dring for things like a primary reel, a crotch dring for a scooter, a right chest dring for your backup lights and clipping off 2nd stages, a left chest dring for backup lights and stages, and a left waist dring for the bottom of stages, as well as your stage leash.

That adds up to 5

[jj1987]

Originally Posted by ianr33

That adds up to 5

My bad! I think I at least got their uses/placement correct