dry suits and split fins?

[CompuDude]

Originally Posted by Kabniel

A lot of tec or GUE divers don't wear splits as they believe splits aren't very good for frog-kicking and are more likely to kick up silt in low-viz.

If you don't frog-kick or spend time in low-viz then it won't be an issue for you

Personally I think you should find what works for you and the diving you do.

Nothing to do with belief... split fins are NOT as good as paddles at the frog kick. Of course you can do a frog kick in split fins, but you'll get a lot more thrust out of paddles. The split works against you on that kick.

A flutter kicker in splits OR paddle fins is likely to stir up silt, compared to a frog kicker in splits OR paddle fins. That's about the kick more than the fin.

I agree fully with your final point.

[tc_rain]

I will agree here, I can frog kick with my Bios but paddle fins do work better for me with this kick.

Originally Posted by Kabniel

A lot of tec or GUE divers don't wear splits as they believe splits aren't very good for frog-kicking and are more likely to kick up silt in low-viz.

If you don't frog-kick or spend time in low-viz then it won't be an issue for you

Personally I think you should find what works for you and the diving you do.

[Kabniel]

Originally Posted by CompuDude

Nothing to do with belief... split fins are NOT as good as paddles at the frog kick. Of course you can do a frog kick in split fins, but you'll get a lot more thrust out of paddles. The split works against you on that kick.

A flutter kicker in splits OR paddle fins is likely to stir up silt, compared to a frog kicker in splits OR paddle fins. That's about the kick more than the fin.

I agree fully with your final point.

You misunderstood the tone of my post. Using the term "believe" I meant it is some other divers opinions, following on from a previous post about not using splits with drysuits. I thought this was where the opinion may have originated.

I don't use splits, I don't like them, that's my personal preference. However, I do know several divers who do like them, frog-kick perfectly well and in them, and believe them to be more effective than paddle fins.

As I don't know of any scientific tests to disprove this I don't argue with them If you do then I'd be grateful if you could pass on the information as it would help next time I'm on the boat

[CompuDude]

Originally Posted by Kabniel

You misunderstood the tone of my post. Using the term "believe" I meant it is some other divers opinions, following on from a previous post about not using splits with drysuits. I thought this was where the opinion may have originated.

I don't use splits, I don't like them, that's my personal preference. However, I do know several divers who do like them, frog-kick perfectly well and in them, and believe them to be more effective than paddle fins.

As I don't know of any scientific tests to disprove this I don't argue with them If you do then I'd be grateful if you could pass on the information as it would help next time I'm on the boat

No worries, I wasn't accusing you of believing it.

When people say splits are faster than paddles and that's why they like them, I don't argue... they're right (in most, but not all, cases) When people say splits can frog kick just fine, I don't argue... they're right (enough).

When people say splits are FASTER than paddles at the FROG kick, I just laugh and walk away. There's no point in arguing with them.

[Kabniel]

Originally Posted by CompuDude

When people say splits are FASTER than paddles at the FROG kick, I just laugh and walk away. There's no point in arguing with them.

That's where we differ... it's at that point I would ask why they wanted to frog kick fast? I use it to conserve energy and/or avoid kicking up silt. If I wanted to go fast I'd scooter

[texdiveguy]

I am not a fan of split fins.....but they will do fine in a dry suit for basic recreational diving. I prefer a paddle fin for all diving...that's just me. As to frog kicking in splits...never have tried that myself so no comment. As to kicking styles in general....practice several and vary around a bit during your dives, it is amazing how us frog kickers soon remember about those different muscles it takes to flutter kick until you find yourself pushing a current were a frog is just not enough ump.

[Gombessa]

Originally Posted by Kabniel

That's where we differ... it's at that point I would ask why they wanted to frog kick fast? I use it to conserve energy and/or avoid kicking up silt. If I wanted to go fast I'd scooter

Faster is relative. He doesn't mean he's racing, he means a paddle is more efficient and powerful for a frog kick - it'll get you where you're going with fewer strokes, less effort and less time. Of course you're still free to disagree with that.

[skdvr]

I say if you have splits and like them, then just use them... Nothing wrong at all with them.

Phil

[CompuDude]

Originally Posted by Kabniel

That's where we differ... it's at that point I would ask why they wanted to frog kick fast? I use it to conserve energy and/or avoid kicking up silt. If I wanted to go fast I'd scooter

... and that's part of why I'd be laughing, too. Point is the mere statement demonstrates there's no point in continuing the discussion!

[rox@ucf11]

I think of the difference between split fins, and paddle fins as this.

Split fins are your fast expensive sports cars that go fast have high rpm's w/e.

Paddle fins are your big F350 or your semi truck, they are able to pull huge loads, and have alot of power, but they cant/arnt engineered to go as fast as that sports car, but again splits being a fast car, cant pull that big load that the truck can

As to split fins and a dry suit, I dont dive dry so cant say, I have dove split fins in a wetsuit, and I still prefer diving paddle fins. Diving split fins, I felt I didnt have near the control that I did diving my paddle fins. I coudnt back kick, frog kick, or helicopter kick at all well.