Overweight Divers

[Lulubelle]

emt, if you look at Fanatique's history, he had just a few days of posting up to 30 times a day, and resurrected many old posts. I suspect he was angling for his 250 and had the kibosh put on him for resurrecting so many old posts.

Personally, I hope this one dies soon. If it was more focused on modifiable risk factors and positive approaches to addressing them, then great, keep it alive. But it is not, so hopefully it will DIE.

I'm going to the gym now to modify some of my risk factors.

[scubastud]

I aint killin the thread!

I think large people are encouraged to take up SCUBA by the wetsuit manufacturers so they can sell larger and custom suits for more money..
A vast conspiracy.. I blame Bush.

[emt]

" I'm going to the gym now to modify some of my risk factors."


My bedroom TV reception was out for a month (cable had a nick in it to one room) and my weight also increased because I was not on my excercise machine in the bedroom while watching TV.
I fixed it yesterday so last night I had a good workout.
Hope the gym workout goes well.

[Lulubelle]

Originally Posted by emt

" I'm going to the gym now to modify some of my risk factors."



My bedroom TV reception was out for a month (cable had a nick in it to one room) and my weight also increased because I was not on my excercise machine in the bedroom while watching TV.
I fixed it yesterday so last night I had a good workout.
Hope the gym workout goes well.

I don't have any risk factors that everyone else doesn't have. Other than stress perhaps, but who is free of THAT? But a portion of my clinical and research career was in obesity and diabetes, and therefore, behavior modification, so this thread holds interest for me.

Gym today is more for stress relief than anything else. Today I am doing kickboxing. Nothing better for stress relief than to wear yourself down to a puddle hitting, kicking, spinning, etc. And having a live sparring partner makes it MUCH better and more fun. And a nice side effect is that it gives you muscles and burns fat.

I am easily bored, couldn't do the inside thing much. I keep a recumbent bike in the home when I am desperate, can't get outdoors, or when there are a lots of bugs going around/i don't want to go to the gym.

Tomorrow was supposed to be an 8 mile hike, but it looks like it will be rained out.

For me, the key is variety. And combining fun/time with friends with activity.

[cummings66]

So in regards to kickboxing, is this something that you go for with gusto with the possibilities of injury? I know at my local Y they do boxing.

You enjoy spinning? I'm curious if you could be so kind as to tell me what you get out of it? I'm the kind of person who goes crazy in one spot and to me spinning seems kind of pointless. I don't care for activities where I'm not doing something. Can you think about life and spin? If I can think I can do OK.

When you speak of modifiable risk factors what are you referring to? I'm thinking things like genetics or disease? Or do you refer to things like a sedimentary lifestyle?

I know I am now trying in earnest to tone up and get rid of my excess fat, using a variety of methods. First is a better diet and next is to add muscle to increase my RMR, then it's cardio within the zone system. I'm doing the zone 3 rate, impatient. It took me 43 years to get here, I want to fix it this year.

[Straegen]

Boxing with head gear, belt and 14oz gloves is like getting hit by a giant Q-Tip unless someone significantly larger hits you. I boxed (amateur but real boxing) for a few years and in training it is really hard to hurt someone and we were going full out. It is really fun and I miss the ring but not the training. It will kick most peoples butt since it is a full body workout and the adrenalin really gets you pumped up for working even harder.

Life expectancy can be determined first by genetics, environment and by size (fat or just big). The larger you are the more likely you are to die sooner. If you are 6'4" and in top shape weighing 240lb you probably won't live as long as someone who is 140lb who is in moderate shape with similar genetic/environmental factors. This is a relatively poor example but larger dogs don't outlive smaller ones generally speaking. One of the reasons (and not the only one) women tend to outlive men is this factor. Most cancers are genetic or environmental and heart disease as much as people would like to rank fat as the primary cause that falls to genetics more often than not. Sedentary lifestyle (poor cardio health) and diet not fat are the contributing factors. Fat is usually the primary indicator of the former statement but not the root cause.

People with strong cardiovascular function, regardless of their size, are healthier and live longer than their sedentary counterparts. For example, in a study of 2,603 people age 60 and older published last year in the Journal of the American Medical Association, physically fit individuals had roughly the same mortality rate whether they were underweight, normal weight, or overweight. Being fit can even trump being thin: People who were fat but fit had a survival edge over those who were skinny but inactive.

You can read the rest at CR: Hefty and healthy, physically fit at any weight

As for everything else, I have said my piece on the subject and I am sorry there are still people who think all fat people are lazy and eating their way into an early grave. I am sure these are the same people that think everyone can quit smoking with no help, believe people can stop being an alcoholic and think people with depression should just cheer up. Most fat people are well aware they are fat as they are reminded by it every day and they struggle with their weight for a variety of reasons. For me like most it isn't one thing, but I carve out each day trying to make better decisions for a healthier life and firmly believe I live more, eat better, and workout more than most. Just wish it reflected that around my waist more often and certainly wish I could do what my very skinny friend did yesterday and eat just cookies all day. I miss cookies.

[Lulubelle]

Originally Posted by cummings66

So in regards to kickboxing, is this something that you go for with gusto with the possibilities of injury? I know at my local Y they do boxing.

You enjoy spinning? I'm curious if you could be so kind as to tell me what you get out of it? I'm the kind of person who goes crazy in one spot and to me spinning seems kind of pointless. I don't care for activities where I'm not doing something. Can you think about life and spin? If I can think I can do OK.

When you speak of modifiable risk factors what are you referring to? I'm thinking things like genetics or disease? Or do you refer to things like a sedimentary lifestyle?

Hi Cummings, I am not training to be a fighter, just kickboxing as part of my fitness routine. It is such a good whole body workout. And a terrifica stress reliever. My trainer (who is both a college educated athletic trainer and MMA fighter) uses pads, i don't "spar" with him in a real fight to fight stance. Althought I do go for it with gusto, there is not much possibility of injury unless I miss the pads! Or fall while spinning around! Not talking about "spinning" on a bike, I HATE that kind of "spinning". BORING to me. I'm talking about spinning around while punching/kicking with my trainer. And I probably shouldn't use the word "spin" to describe what we do. But he does move around and make me turn this way and that way. I have tiny little ankles, and so changing my stance makes me not only pay better attention to my form, but it helps me develop better balance and ankle strength, which I need to develop.

I do wish my trainer would stop watching those videos of russian strength training methods. We did some of that yesterday, and every muscle I have hurts today.

As for risk factors, ALL OF US have modifiable risk factors for good and bad health: for example lifestyle, diet, weight to varying degrees, sometimes conditions like diabetes and htn, etc. Then there are the nonmodifiable risk factors: like age, genetics, conditions that aren't modifiable, limits on modifiable conditions like diabetes and htn, injuries, etc. I can't control all of mine (for instance AGE and genetics), but I seek to control the ones that I can (lifestyle and diet). I live the positive, what I CAN DO. I used to run 20-30 miles a week. Can't do that anymore. So I seek to find things that I can do, not that any of them give me the endorphin high of running. But kickboxing is coming close.

And to the ladies out there, this stuff really does work the entire body very well, it isn't going to make you big and bulky, it is nearly impossible for a woman's body to do that unless she was born big and bulky. It is making me leaner and slimmer, and stronger. And better able to haul my scuba gear. Not that I won't continue to bat my eyes and try to get some guy to carry them!

[emt]

Since the average person watches TV at least 1 hour a day according to most studies more:How Americans Spend an Average Day
On an average day in 2003, nearly everyone (96 percent) age 15 and over reported some sort of leisure or sports activity, such as watching TV, socializing, or exercising. Including the small proportion of the population that reported no leisure activities, men spent more time doing leisure activities (5.4 hours) than women (4.8 hours).
Watching TV was the leisure activity that occupied the most time, accounting for about half of leisure time on average for both men and women. Socializing, such as visiting with friends or attending or hosting social events, was the next most common leisure activity, accounting for about three-quarters of an hour per day for both sexes.


Everyone has a RMR (Resting Metabolic Rate) to burn calories. But, why not put some device to move more muscles and burn more calories in front of the TV. You could call it a workout or you could call it your daily walk. If you think you should only work out only every other day and your opposed to working out daily, then don't; slow down to a walk since all of us walk every day and no one is opposed to an average person getting out of bed and walking daily. Walking will burn more calories than just relying on RMR while watching TV.

Sometimes I watch TV and am not really working out but I still can be using a slow extra movement of body muscles like the legs to burn more calories. There are many different ideas to burn extra calories while watching TV.

Like driving a car you can go different speeds: idle (RMR), slow, medium, faster, and full sprint. The slow speed will burn more calories than the idle sitting on the coach.
Personally I primarily rely on my leg muscle groups to give me my workout when I desire to "workout" but I occasionally also use my arm muscle groups etc.
Going a slow pace imitating walking etc. should cause no average normal healthy person to violate their training routine. It will however, burn more calories than sitting in a chair. My view is anything is better than nothing.

[Splitlip]

Matt:
I think the spinning L was speaking of is like "spinning" roundhouse kicks.

Not the infomercial spinning., LOL

[Lulubelle]

Originally Posted by Splitlip

Matt:
I think the spinning L was speaking of is like "spinning" roundhouse kicks.

Not the infomercial spinning., LOL

Not just the roundhouse kicks, he just keeps me twirling around while doing the punches too, to help with balance. Hey, SL, can I try out my kicks on YOU? Brave enough?

Infomercial spinning? I guess I don't watch enough TV...