Scuba Forum - Scuba Diving Forums and Discussion Board   Visit our ScubaToys.com Site!
Or Search ScubaToys.com for Gear!
 
Use the Search in the Navbar to search the forum.

Forum Photo Gallery Get Your Scuba Gear Here Scuba Classes & Diver Training Store Cam Scuba Videos
Go Back   Scuba Forum - Scuba Diving Forums and Discussion Board > Forums by Diving Categories > General Scuba Training Questions
Register FAQLive Chat Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

General Scuba Training Questions Can't figure where to post... try here.

Welcome to the Scuba Forum - Scuba Diving Forums and Discussion Board.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

New Rules for Scuba Diving (from Scuba Diving Magazine)

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-25-2009, 06:48 PM   #11 (permalink)
Tassie Diver
Grouper
 
Tassie Diver's Avatar

Forum Stats
 
Join Date: 06/08/2009
Posts: 291

Profile Info
 
Location:
Bicheno, Tasmania, Australia
Age: 38
Dives Logged: 101-500
Quote:
1. Reverse Dive Profiles Are OK


New Rule

It is permissible to dive deeper on your second dive than on your first, and to dive deeper on the later part of a dive than on the early part.
I thought the jury was back out on this? I can't remember the references or the exact details, but I thought more recent studies were implying that there were issues with bubbling caused by reverse profiling?

Something to do with the first dive reducing the number of nuclei from which bubbles grow, making the second dive safer? Also linked to deep stops?

Sorry, not helping much, but can't remember all the details.

Cheers

TD.

Last edited by Tassie Diver : 08-25-2009 at 06:51 PM. Reason: Turn off BOLD
Tassie Diver is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2009, 06:55 PM   #12 (permalink)
fisheater
Barracuda
 
fisheater's Avatar

Forum Stats
 
Join Date: 11/24/2007
Posts: 1,215

Profile Info
 
Location:
Sebastopol, CA
Dives Logged: 101-500
My Photos: 2 Images
Don't be so critical. After all, I'm impressed that their rules didn't include #11: Only dive in clear, warm tropical water. #12: Only young, fit & attractive people may dive, and only when smiling.

That's what I would have expected from that source.
__________________
- Fisheater
fisheater is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2009, 07:36 PM   #13 (permalink)
Tassie Diver
Grouper
 
Tassie Diver's Avatar

Forum Stats
 
Join Date: 06/08/2009
Posts: 291

Profile Info
 
Location:
Bicheno, Tasmania, Australia
Age: 38
Dives Logged: 101-500
Quote:
Originally Posted by fisheater View Post
...
That's what I would have expected from that source.
Good point. Always check your sources!

Cheers

TD.
Tassie Diver is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2009, 07:54 PM   #14 (permalink)
chinacat46
Shark
 
chinacat46's Avatar

Forum Stats
 
Join Date: 08/01/2007
Posts: 2,321

Profile Info
 
Location:
Lafayette, CO
Age: 54
Dives Logged: 500-1000
Quote:
Originally Posted by scubastud View Post
Make that three... buddy breathing is a necessary skill to learn and practice. I also was suprised they do not have you remove and put your gear back on anymore in open water class.
Just curious what agency doesn't have you remove/replace your gear? I know PADI teaches this and I thought others did as well.
__________________
Sometimes we live in no particular way but our own.
One man gathers what another man spills.
chinacat46 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2009, 09:08 PM   #15 (permalink)
in_cavediver
Barracuda
 
in_cavediver's Avatar

Forum Stats
 
Join Date: 08/24/2007
Posts: 1,504

Profile Info
 
Location:
Lafayette, Indiana United States
Dives Logged: 500-1000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tassie Diver View Post
Quote:
1. Reverse Dive Profiles Are OK


New Rule
It is permissible to dive deeper on your second dive than on your first, and to dive deeper on the later part of a dive than on the early part.
I thought the jury was back out on this? I can't remember the references or the exact details, but I thought more recent studies were implying that there were issues with bubbling caused by reverse profiling?

Something to do with the first dive reducing the number of nuclei from which bubbles grow, making the second dive safer? Also linked to deep stops?

Sorry, not helping much, but can't remember all the details.

Cheers

TD.
I recall this as well and the original advice about it not mattering so long as the deepest of the day was within 1atm of pressure of all previous dives. IE, dive 1 to 70', dive 2 to 100' max.

Still, reverse profiles past 40ft or so aren't something I'd plan to do
in_cavediver is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2009, 09:40 PM   #16 (permalink)
Splitlip
Grand Master Spammer
Founding Member
 
Splitlip's Avatar

Forum Stats
 
Join Date: 07/09/2007
Posts: 5,471

Profile Info
 
Location:
Jupiter
Dives Logged: 500-1000
.......

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaScubaDude View Post
Found this article at the scuba diving magazine site.

What do you think of these? Any thing you would add or change
10 New Rules of Scuba Diving

October 18, 2006

Thanks to research and equipment advances, today's divers are taught a new set of skills. How up-to-date are you?




Recreational diving is still a relatively young sport. Created in the 1950s, it gained acceptance in the '60s and '70s, boomed in the '80s and took great technological leaps in the '90s. So there's a good chance that not everything you learned in your open-water class still applies. New research and equipment have made diving safer and more enjoyable than ever—if you know the new rules.
1. Reverse Dive Profiles Are OK
Fine!

New Rule
It is permissible to dive deeper on your second dive than on your first, and to dive deeper on the later part of a dive than on the early part.
Old Rule
Until this year, all divers have been taught to go to their greatest planned depth early in the dive and then gradually work upward in a regular "stair-step" pattern. Similarly, they've been told to make the deepest dive of the day the first one. The rationale was that the shallower depths later provided decompression for the preceding greater depths.
Reason for the Change
Dive computers. Because computers can track your depth and time constantly and are pretty good at math, it's possible to know your nitrogen exposure accurately regardless of your profile. Tables, by contrast, can account for only your greatest depth, and this crude approximation of nitrogen exposure still mandates a conservative approach.

Exceptions to the Rule
Obviously, divers using only tables must still follow the old rules. And even when using a computer it's still smart to dive deeper first. Ascending profiles give you more bottom time and a greater margin of safety against DCS.
2. Lower Minimum Age
I think they should be 16.




New Rule
The Recreational Scuba Training Council, which sets many industry standards, dropped its minimum age requirement for junior certification near the end of 1999. As a result, PADI, SDI, SSI and NASDS (which has merged with SSI) have dropped their minimum age requirements for junior certification to 10. SSI has a pool-only "Scuba Ranger" program for 8- to 12-year-olds. NAUI and YMCA are retaining the age-12 minimum, at least for now.
Old Rule
Minimum age for junior certification was 12. (Junior certification requires supervision by a fully certified adult.)
Reason for the Change
To promote the sport. Lots of baby-boomer divers have kids, and the growing popularity of resort diving meant a market for family dive vacations. "The future of diving will be determined by kids," says Bret Gilliam, president of SDI, the first agency to lower the age. "It's a great step forward to recognize the family unit as key to our sport's growth."
Exceptions to the Rule
It's still up to the instructor to decide whether a child is mature enough to dive. Being 10 does not create a right to be certified.

The new junior certifications typically have various restrictions. In PADI, kids are limited to 20 feet in confined water first, then 40 feet in open water. Juniors must be accompanied by an agency-affiliated instructor, a certified parent or another certified adult. Check specific agencies for their rules.
3. Universal Referrals
Most rec training today is lacking anyway, regardless of agency.

New Rule
Getting certified? Beginning in 1998, you could take classroom and pool sessions in your hometown from an instructor with Agency "A," then fly to warm water for open-water sessions under an instructor with Agency "B"—as long as the agencies had agreements to recognize each other's standards and instructors. This means you can choose from many more warm-water resorts for your open-water sessions.
Old Rule
Classroom, pool work and open-water dives all had to be with the same training agency. If you wanted to do the open-water dives in the tropics, you had to pick a resort with an instructor affiliated with the same agency.
Reason for the Change
Customer convenience. Smaller agencies with few instructors in place at resorts found it necessary to band together to offer greater options—especially when certification standards are virtually identical.

Exceptions to the Rule
PADI. According to PADI, it issues 70 percent of all certifications. The agency still requires that all phases of your training be with PADI instructors.
4. Slower Ascent Rate
And 1ft per minute is even better. DUH!


New Rule
Ascend no faster than 30 feet per minute—one foot every two seconds.
Old Rule
The usual rate was 60 feet per minute until the U.S. Navy adopted the 30-foot-per-minute rate in 1996 and training agencies followed suit.
Reason for the Change
Research. Navy studies found that a 30-foot-per-minute rate resulted in fewer cases of DCS than the older 60-foot-per-minute rate. A slow ascent is really a rolling decompression stop, allowing your body to flush out and exhale dissolved nitrogen before it forms bubbles.

Exceptions to the Rule
The 30-foot-per-minute rate may not always be practical for the whole ascent, especially when you are deep and low on air or approaching hypothermia. In that case a faster rate, up to 60 feet per minute, is acceptable, but for the final 60 feet of your ascent, you should slow to 30 feet per minute.
5. The Safety Stop
Yeah. Sure.

New rule - Make a safety stop at 15 feet for at least three to five minutes before ascending to the surface?longer for deeper and more strenuous dives. Safety stops allow your body extra time to eliminate nitrogen.
New Rule
Make a safety stop at the end of dives. That means you should pause at about 15 feet for a minimum of three to five minutes before your final ascent to the surface. Some experts recommend safety stops as long as 10 to 15 minutes under certain conditions.
Old Rule
Make a what? Safety stops were not taught prior to the mid-1980s.
Reason for the Change
More research. The new rule recognizes that all dives are decompression dives, and that DCS can and does occur even when you've stayed within so-called "no-decompression limits." Studies clearly show that pausing at about 15 feet allows you to offgas nitrogen before ascending through the zone of greatest pressure change, near the surface. Nitrogen that hasn't been eliminated can bubble out of tissues rapidly during the last part of the ascent, causing DCS.
There are other safety reasons for the stop. The air in your BC and the bubbles in your wetsuit also expand rapidly during the last 15 feet and may cause you to become significantly positive without realizing it. Stopping gives you a chance to adjust your buoyancy so you don't lose control of your ascent.
Safety stops also allow you to survey surface conditions and boat traffic before surfacing.

Exceptions to the Rule
You needn't stay at exactly 15 feet, especially if you're elbowing a crowd of other divers. Anywhere between 10 and 20 feet is fine. And although three to five minutes is a good minimum, longer, deeper dives call for longer safety stops.
6. Neutrally Buoyant Ascents
Oh come on. "old rule", you were what you were. Usually negative waiting for physics to take over. "Dump" air from what?

New rule - Remain neutrally buoyant during ascents. Neutral buoyancy eliminates the risk of run-away ascents and the strain of finning against negative buoyancy.
New Rule
Become neutrally buoyant before beginning your ascent and maintain neutral buoyancy throughout.
Old Rule
Dump all air so you are negative before beginning your ascent and fin upward against negative buoyancy.
Reason for the Change
The old rule was designed to prevent runaway ascents. But Navy studies revealed that the strain of finning hard while ascending sometimes causes divers to hold their breath. Also, it can lead to air trapping in the lungs. Both present embolism risks. The change also reflects greater confidence in modern BCs, particularly their dump valves.

Exceptions to the Rule
In an ascent from very shallow depths, say 30 feet or less, it's OK to fin up against slight negative buoyancy. The risk of losing control because of rapid buoyancy changes in your BC and exposure suit, and the low stress in finning such a short distance, makes this the better bet.
7. No More Buddy Breathing
Right. Let's make it easier to "pass".

New Rule
In a no-air emergency, depend on a redundant system or your buddy's octopus, or make an independent emergency ascent. Do not attempt to "buddy breathe" from a single regulator unless you and your buddy have practiced it.
Old Rule
Before octos, ponies and devices like the "Spare Air" were common, divers were taught to pass one regulator back and forth while making a slow ascent.
Reason for the Change
Safety. Experience showed that unless both buddies had practiced buddy breathing and were skilled at it, the attempt was likely to injure both divers, not just one.
Typically, buddy breathing divers become so absorbed in passing the regulator that they neglect to control their buoyancy, and a too-rapid ascent with embolism could result. Or the diver who has passed the regulator holds his breath instead of exhaling slowly, also an embolism risk.

If you are out of air and neither you nor your buddy has a backup system, your best move is to make an emergency swimming ascent: swimming to the surface while keeping your throat open by slowly exhaling.
8. The Buddy System
I'm cool. Mike Nelson never had a buddy.


Every training agency is emphatic on the need to always dive with a buddy. Yet solo diving has long been common, particularly among underwater photographers. Experience, and incomplete statistics, don't indicate that solo diving is more dangerous than buddy diving, and some divers argue that solo diving is actually safer.
9. The Snorkel
I use a snorkel. FOR SNORKELING!!!!



Most of us were taught that a snorkel is mandatory gear on every dive, just like a pair of fins. But increasingly, divers are leaving the snorkel in the gear bag much of the time.
Why? They've come to the conclusion that a snorkel, when attached to your mask, is more often a hazard than a help. The long tube—dangling from its midpoint so the hook-like gizmos at the ends can wander around—is pretty effective at catching kelp, fishing line and camera straps. And, given the importance of your mask, your mask strap is about the worst place to mount it or anything else.

Many divers now save the snorkel for special occasions, like a long surface swim from their entry point to the dive site, and carry it in a pocket or strapped to their body.
10. The Dive Computer
Computers like any piece of equipment can fail.

In the surface world we all have access to calculators. Why do we bother teaching math in school? Why do boat and aircraft pilots learn navigation when we have GPS?

I read an old sci fi short story along those lines...never mind.


The dive computer is probably the most important safety advance in the sport. Much more important than a snorkel, and arguably more important than an octopus, a dive computer may well be considered mandatory equipment before long. SDI already incorporates dive computers into student training from the outset. "Virtually all divers now use dive computers to make diving safer and more enjoyable. Why not establish that practice from the beginning?" says CEO Bret Gilliam. "Dive tables have simply been supplanted by advances in technology."
__________________
Tim
Diving sucks. Don't try it.
Splitlip is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2009, 10:12 PM   #17 (permalink)
Flatliner
Grouper
Founding Member
 
Flatliner's Avatar

Forum Stats
 
Join Date: 08/05/2007
Posts: 868

Profile Info
 
Location:
Lincoln, NE
Age: 41
Dives Logged: 51-100
I practice buddy breathing with my son. I will say that in his class they barely touched dive tables. It was almost all, "you'll probably get a computer so this isn't really that important."
__________________
Flatliner
aka Robert


On the road to Grand Master Spammer...
Flatliner is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2009, 10:44 PM   #18 (permalink)
Foo2
Moderator
Founding Member
ST-Forum Mod
 
Foo2's Avatar

Forum Stats
 
Join Date: 07/10/2007
Posts: 1,794

Profile Info
 
Location:
DFW, TX
Age: 29
Dives Logged: 25-50
Send a message via Yahoo to Foo2
Quote:
New Rule
The Recreational Scuba Training Council, which sets many industry standards, dropped its minimum age requirement for junior certification near the end of 1999. As a result, PADI, SDI, SSI and NASDS (which has merged with SSI) have dropped their minimum age requirements for junior certification to 10. SSI has a pool-only "Scuba Ranger" program for 8- to 12-year-olds. NAUI and YMCA are retaining the age-12 minimum, at least for now.
Actually, this is incorrect. NAUI allows 10 year old kids to get certified.
"As long as you are 10 years or older and in good physical condition, you can enroll in a NAUI Scuba Diver course.
NAUI Worldwide Recreational Divers
__________________
Scuba. If I can't scuba...what am I working for? - Creed "The Office"
Foo2 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2009, 10:49 PM   #19 (permalink)
navyhmc
Grand Master Spammer
 
navyhmc's Avatar

Forum Stats
 
Join Date: 11/12/2007
Posts: 5,324

Profile Info
 
Location:
Wichita, KS
Age: 48
Dives Logged: 1000 +
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flatliner View Post
I practice buddy breathing with my son. I will say that in his class they barely touched dive tables. It was almost all, "you'll probably get a computer so this isn't really that important."
As an old timer, that's a scary proposition...Glad you're taking it to teach him right!
__________________
I have been to "The Doors", I have seen "The sign!"
GMS #4
navyhmc is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 08-25-2009, 11:01 PM   #20 (permalink)
Vegas
Grouper
 
Vegas's Avatar

Forum Stats
 
Join Date: 08/15/2007
Posts: 436

Profile Info
 
Location:
Las Vegas, NV, USA
Age: 38
Dives Logged: 101-500
couldn't have said it better

Quote:
Originally Posted by CompuDude View Post
So, it's the usual blend common sense, duh, and wtf?, all dumbed down to the lowest possible common denominator, as we've come to expect from SDmag. Got it.

LOL - Well said!
__________________
Same Planet...Different World....
I've dived and gone to heaven
Vegas is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote

Go Back   Scuba Forum - Scuba Diving Forums and Discussion Board > Forums by Diving Categories > General Scuba Training Questions

Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Scuba diving Magazine chicken Scuba Stories, Comments & Questions that don't fit elsewhere! 40 05-04-2009 12:15 AM
Scuba Diving Magazine SOLD calwolf Scuba Stories, Comments & Questions that don't fit elsewhere! 19 01-19-2009 12:05 PM
SCUBA Diving Magazine subscription jtkkym Job Well Done! 86 10-09-2008 02:11 PM
Scuba Diving Magazine ~Wreck diving Rascal1933 Wreck Diving 5 03-24-2008 12:26 PM
What's with Scuba Diving Magazine??! Judestudio Complaints or Problems 20 09-26-2007 08:04 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:57 AM.


Powered by vBulletin 3.6.72009 Copyright 2000-2007 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
Copyright ©2000-2008, ScubaToys Enterprises LLC
Site Maintained and Secured by Clan Solutions®, LLC.

Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172