Safety concerns question

scubadiver888 · 09-24-2009, 08:17 AM

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Art, I agree that a diver is responsible for their own safety. My problem is that this was the instructor and the 4th OW training dive ended less than 15 min before the dive with 500 psi and at the encouragement of the instructor, and that instructor as the dive buddy. New divers still have this AWE of their instructors that tends to overshadow a responsibility for self safety.

I understand what you are saying. Just after getting certified I went to Cuba. The dive group consisted of a bunch of Navy divers, the DM and me. I let the DM know this was my first dive without my instructor and she knew I was Open Water certified (had to show my c-card). The DM took us out to a military ship wreck. It was in 31m (101') of water (she didn't tell me this). I was JUST certified of OW. Being new and diving to 31m I quickly ran out of air. When I got to half tank I tried to get the DM's attention. By the time I got her attention I was down to 40 bar. She gave me her octo and continued with the dive.

I was naive enough to believe she wouldn't put me in any danger. I didn't know how to signal I was not comfortable with this and I doubt she'd end the dive even if I could. Looking back on it, she was willing to push MY limits so the Navy divers would have a nice dive.

The instructor you are talking about doesn't sound like he is this bad but he is still setting a bad example. Maybe he doesn't even realize how it looks from a student's perspective.

Once again...proof the cert doesn't always mean anything. It amazes me someone can make it to DM level, and either not learn any better than that, or not care anymore than that. I hope you gave her operator some grief when you got back to shore?

There didn't seem to be anyone other than her at the shop. I was there to see Cuba with my wife (who does not dive) so I just didn't do anymore dives on that trip. Spend time seeing the sights above water.

Years later I was talking about my experience without mentioning it was Cuba. The owner of my LDS looked at me and said, "Cuba, right?" Apparently, this is situation normal for a lot of dive ops in Cuba. Not a good place for your first dive trip.

clayhabitat · 09-24-2009, 10:20 AM

I talked with my friend and she understands that what happened was dangerous now. She assured me that she will never allow anyone to ever pull her into doing something dangerous again. She also said that she didnt think she could make the dive on 500 psi even tho she wanted to. It was the instructor telling her it would be fine that prompted her to make that dive. I just wanted to update everyone after I talked with her about what you all have said. Thank you

fisheater · 09-24-2009, 11:27 AM

This isn't the first time I've heard of terribly lax safety at Cuban dive operations. Maybe they should stick to cigars and antiYanqui propoganda.

inventor · 09-24-2009, 12:06 PM

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This isn't the first time I've heard of terribly lax safety at Cuban dive operations. Maybe they should stick to cigars and antiYanqui propoganda.

Or turning classic cars and trucks into escape rafts.

Floating Cubans

Kind of insensitive title, but this site has several examples.

MY thoughts; You don't send these guys back and sink the vessel. You give them a ticker tape parade and a Defense Department contract. We need geniuses and mechanics like these. Reality automotive shows would be bidding millions in salaries for these guys.

In keeping with thread topic, this doesn't look too safe. And.. I'm not diving off or getting on it.

mrm777 · 09-24-2009, 05:22 PM

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I talked with my friend and she understands that what happened was dangerous now. She assured me that she will never allow anyone to ever pull her into doing something dangerous again.

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She was fortunate to learn the "you're responsible for yourself" lesson so cheaply.

clayhabitat · 09-24-2009, 07:14 PM

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I talked with my friend and she understands that what happened was dangerous now. She assured me that she will never allow anyone to ever pull her into doing something dangerous again.

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She was fortunate to learn the "you're responsible for yourself" lesson so cheaply.

I agree.

clayhabitat · 10-23-2009, 04:34 PM

I thought I would wrap this up with a summary of what has happened. The instructor has started an affair with my friend -- her husband is not very happy about the turn of events. She went from very happy with her marriage to a place of getting out in less than a month with the instructor pushing. Unfortunately I have lost my dive shop because of this instrustor. It is still there, but I will not frequent a place that allows that behavior from their instructors.

rednose83 · 10-23-2009, 05:03 PM

Oh Geez- sorry to hear that.

clayhabitat · 10-24-2009, 08:17 AM

This same instructor tried picking up my adult daughter when we certified 3 yrs ago. It seems it the student is female he tries to get her. I have to wonder if there isn't some ethic standard against that with PADI.

navyhmc · 10-24-2009, 10:34 AM

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This same instructor tried picking up my adult daughter when we certified 3 yrs ago. It seems it the student is female he tries to get her. I have to wonder if there isn't some ethic standard against that with PADI.

Yes, there is an ethical standard. However, it can not come from you. Any complaint you have is either hearsay or with regards to your over 18 daughter, it has to come from her. But I would hazard a guess that if a good complaint is made, the instructor is Toast! Probably a good thing too.

A lot of less ethical/lack of a good moral compass types get emboldened by the fact that they have gotten away with a particular act a few times and gain a sense of invunerablility and not only continue in the act, but get more brazen with time. If he tried is with your daughter, what about the next guys? Get with the daughter and let the fur fly so to speak. At the very least he may get an eye opener.

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