Frame vs Frameless masks

[teog]

I currently own a cressi sub framed mask. I would like to by a new mask and use the cressi as a back up. What is the advantages to the frameless masks? Im looking into the Mares Liquidskin or Atomics subframe.

Thanks

[adv_diver1]

I have heard the Mares liquid skin is very comfortable and I have been considering it, but can't get away from the pano mask for some reason.

[LCFrigon]

I understand that frameless masks have no frames, but what are the advantages or disadvantages of frameless masks?

[ReefHound]

I tried a frameless a few years ago and that's all I've worn since. Clearly I am a fan so I'll give you the pros, can't think of any cons.

Light weight means feeling better on the face, in some cases less leaks.

Low volume means easier to clear, better field of vision since the lens is closer to your eyes.

Flexible structure allows it to pack tighter, I can get my mask and my computer and compass in mask box. Or tuck in a thigh pocket as a backup. Lack of frame means there isn't a frame to get broken.

I don't know what it has to do with frameless but every one I've tried has sealed on my face better than any framed mask I've had before. I don't even worry about 3 day stubble anymore.

[LRDWILDER]

I have both the Atomic Sub Framed and Frameless and although I always thought the frameless would annoy me I must say I LOVE the frameless....Its very comfortable and I never felt as though it has any more volume to clear then the framed, and I found after several days of several dives a day the framed would leave an imprint on the bridge of my nose even though I religiously equalize it...just my 2 cents

[Mtrewyn]

I really like the Atomic Sub frame, It is the most comfortable mask I found it was just hard for me to take the price tag, I'm on a tight budget, so I passed on it, but I think it will be my next mask parches, the price will have come down by then, it was well over $100 when I looked

[ReefHound]

Price tag, that's another thing I love about my frameless masks. You can spend big bucks for big names but I got all mine for under $35 each and they work great.

[Clanggedin]

I have an Atomic frameless and I love it. I think the biggest advantage that a sub frame has over the frameless is that you can get a different lens for each eye if you need to.

[awap]

One disadvantage with frameless is I have had 2 scubapro frameless fail due to seperation of tyhe skirt from the side of the lens. I still only dive frameless due to good FOV, fit, and comfort but I won't pay MSRP for the high $$$$ models. And all the good things seem to also come with the low $$ knockoffs.

[ReefHound]

Maybe the lesson is to avoid paying bigger dollars for name brands and go with the cheaper knock-offs, which have served me well for over 100 dives with no problems.