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    Why do some people hate.......

    Big bladder wings with lots of lift?
    (Example Zeagle Tech & Zeagle 911 w/65lb. lift)
    Please don't just say it's overkill....be more specific.
    Someone please tell me why it is a bad idea!

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    If you don't need the lift it is counter productive...drag, less precise control of the bubble, taco... Wastes gas pushing it through the water harder to trim out..

    Some people may like these tacos, but you don't want them on your back.

    YouTube - Taco - Puttin' on the Ritz (Original Uncensored Version)
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    What Splitlip said....

    Take what you need + about 10% just in case.

    I once saved a man in Wichita just to watch him dive...(inventor)

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    I own and dive a Zeagle Tech Pac with it's 65lbs. wing and find it a great dive platform for large steel single configurations and all types double configurations. I have had one in service for years under all sorts of diving conditions and have found it easy to dive. The wing is designed with what I call 'anti taco' short adjustable straps....so there is no tacoing.....it is a well designed bladder with exceptional gas distribution, it has 3 dumbs (1 at each wing tip and one at the lp inflator). There is no wasted gas as you only use that needed to maintain proper buoyancy as you do in any other wing. I have never experienced any additional drag with any configuration of cylinders/suits that you would not normally find in other wing sizes. As a deep technical diver I need the size as my payload can be large at times. But I dive it just as enjoyably in a recreational profile as in a technical profile. The wing size is not for single Al80's divers....though it is possible but is not the right wing. This is a very popular wing and size for Zeagle and has been in their main line for years. **OP if you need more input from someone whom actually dives this larger type wing please drop me a note, would be happy to discuss and review your needs.
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    Thanks for your inputs!
    Anyone else have any input?

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    Imagine you have 1 cup of water. Put that water in a 1qt ziplock bag. Now place the bag in the palm of your open hand and try to control where the water goes by tilting your hand around.

    Now, try the same thing with 1 cup of water and a 1 gallon ziplock bag.

    The extra capacity in a wing allows the air to move around a lot, which results is the lift 'tugging' at you from different directions as it moves to different places in the wing. Tilt to one side, and all the air rushes to that side too. Now, the extra lift from the air on that side pulls the high side up even further. It takes some visualization, but thats the idea anyway.

    From another perspective, take a 1qt ziplock bag and fill it half full of air. Put it in a sink full of water and use 2 fingers to sink the bag. Put the same amount of air in a gallon bag, and try to hold it underwater with 2 fingers. It's much harder to control where the air bubble goes.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireflock View Post
    Imagine you have 1 cup of water. Put that water in a 1qt ziplock bag. Now place the bag in the palm of your open hand and try to control where the water goes by tilting your hand around.

    Now, try the same thing with 1 cup of water and a 1 gallon ziplock bag.

    The extra capacity in a wing allows the air to move around a lot, which results is the lift 'tugging' at you from different directions as it moves to different places in the wing. Tilt to one side, and all the air rushes to that side too. Now, the extra lift from the air on that side pulls the high side up even further. It takes some visualization, but thats the idea anyway.

    From another perspective, take a 1qt ziplock bag and fill it half full of air. Put it in a sink full of water and use 2 fingers to sink the bag. Put the same amount of air in a gallon bag, and try to hold it underwater with 2 fingers. It's much harder to control where the air bubble goes.

    Hope that helps.

    Rich
    Thanks for your input!
    You make a good point
    My question.....is that an over-inflated comparison since 4 quarts = 1 gallon?
    That would be like comparing a 65lb bladder vs. a 16.25lb bladder.
    That would surely make a big differance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splitlip View Post
    If you don't need the lift it is counter productive...drag, less precise control of the bubble, taco... Wastes gas pushing it through the water harder to trim out..

    Some people may like these tacos, but you don't want them on your back.

    YouTube - Taco - Puttin' on the Ritz (Original Uncensored Version)

    ok... don't quite get the youtube rference to Taco and the Ritz.


    is this kinda like "You've been Rick Rolled"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_s View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Splitlip View Post
    If you don't need the lift it is counter productive...drag, less precise control of the bubble, taco... Wastes gas pushing it through the water harder to trim out..

    Some people may like these tacos, but you don't want them on your back.

    YouTube - Taco - Puttin' on the Ritz (Original Uncensored Version)

    ok... don't quite get the youtube rference to Taco and the Ritz.


    is this kinda like "You've been Rick Rolled"?
    I guess I don't get it!
    Since both of the examles have short adjustable straps on each side of the bladder connected to the vest of the BC. To prevent "Taco-ing"!

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    Taco or not, a bigger wing means a bigger dynamic airspace, and that isn't desireable unless you need it to offset a lot of negative buoyancy.

    Ask yourself this: What specifically do you need that much lift for?
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