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    You have a certain amount of time to re-test, and the re-testing does not cost the same amount (if any). I can't recall the specifics. Of course, if you have to travel significantly to get to the course, it may still cost you a bit.

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    If you get a provisional the retest is normally free unless the instructor must travel to meet with you. Then you get to pay for that. I don't know how many times they'd allow you to retest, but I'll bet it won't be many.
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    <DIV>I do not know what happens if you out and out fail the course. What I hear most say is that they hope for a provisional, most already know ahead of time that no matter how hard or how good they are they will fail. Sometimes it's as simple as your instabuddy for the class if you're unlucky enough can't handle it, you'll fail if he fails. To pass both of you must pass, it's a team thing. That was the answer given to me. I disagree strongly with them failing me because my buddy was poor, or for that matter I'd hate to make somebody fail because I couldn't cut it. That is not right in my book. Somebody has the skills and they fail because the insta buddy didn't, but that's how it is.</DIV>

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    From the article "What's Up with GUE's Fundamentals Course?"
    by Beto Nava appearing in Quest 8.2*

    The New Format
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    In 2005, an upgraded Fundamentals program was designed and prototyped at several key facilities
    around the world; the guiding idea of the redesign was

    that the class would serve a dual function. On one

    hand it would provide a foundation of basic skills that

    every diver should possess in order to safely and

    efficiently perform in the underwater environment. On

    the other hand it would prepare students for more

    advanced training and make sure they did not attempt

    to move forward until they were ready.

    With this dual function in mind, an expanded, four-day

    class was drafted. This new class consisted of at least

    ten hours of lecture and five hours of land exercises,

    and required a minimum of five dives.

    The objective of this redesigned course was to allow

    students plenty of time to learn and master skills. At

    the same time, material that was previously covered

    in the first few sessions of Cave 1 and Tech 1, but

    essential to recreational diving, was incorporated into

    Fundamentals. For example, Nitrox is now part of the

    Fundamentals class as is the basic rescue of an

    unconscious/convulsing diver.

    To resolve the pass/fail problem, a two-tiered certification

    system was crafted. Within Fundamentals training,

    students can choose to have their skill-set measured

    by either a strictly recreational standard or by a

    more demanding "technical" standard (testifying to

    their readiness for advanced GUE training). Their

    certifications reflect this difference. This new system

    allows instructors more flexibility to address the

    specific goals of each student and establishes clear

    and realistic expectations/requirements for passing at

    each level of certification.

    Students who enroll in Fundamentals seeking a recreational

    endorsement may take the class in a single tank

    and are not required to carry a canister light. In terms

    of lecture, class-time, and materials, they will be

    exposed to the same material as those enrolling in

    Fundamentals seeking a technical endorsement: both

    groups will be instructed on dive planning, teamwork,

    and situational awareness. In terms of in-water skills,

    the strictly recreational group will share the same

    learning outcomes as the technically geared group

    except that some of the skills are less complex (i.e.,

    the valve drill is truncated due to having a single

    valve to manipulate), and the standards for what is

    acceptable for a pass will be slightly lower.

    Trainees intending to register for GUE Cave or Technical

    training must first pass Fundamentals with a technical

    endorsement. Such an endorsement would make

    reasonable trainee expectations that they will pass

    their next class on their first attempt.

    In addition to demonstrating a higher level of capacity

    in buoyancy, propulsion, and trim, this group of divers

    is required to take the class in gear appropriate for

    technical diving; e.g., double cylinders, canister light,

    two back-up lights, drysuit (for cold water), etc. With

    respect to skill evaluation, members of this group

    must receive a minimum grade of four on every skill to

    pass (this is on a scale of one to five, with five being

    the highest.)

    Given these new standards, instructors are left with

    two questions to answer when considering class outcomes.

    When considering passing a trainee seeking

    recreational endorsement, the question should be: Has

    the student understood enough of the material and

    demonstrated a basic level of proficiency to safely

    progress in their diving? For a trainee seeking technical

    endorsement the questions should be: Is this student's

    foundation rock-solid? Are they ready for the

    rigors of more advanced diving?

    This course redesign not only accommodates the needs

    of a larger diving community, but also allows for

    drawing more subtle distinctions in terms of competencies

    and desired outcomes. As such it seems to work

    well in terms of satisfying the dual purpose of the

    Fundamentals class.</pre>
    Please PM me if you need any help.

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    What is Quest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cummings66
    What is Quest?
    A magazine from GUE. I believe their is an online component as well, only available to subscribers/members, however.

    http://www.gue.com/Quest/index.html


    There is a mailing list as well, again, only open to paid members.

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    Thanks for the clarification. I had originally thought about doing the fundamentals, especially after I contacted an instructor who told me that he welcomes new divers to the class. However, after I started to do more reading, it looked like it is a tought class to pass, so maybe I will take it potentially at a later date once I've gotten much more experience/training.

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    <DIV>Is there a DIR forCCR divers? There is a lot of CCRs out there for all to be the same configuration. I dive the Optima CCR, grate unit.</DIV>

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiscoKid
    <div>Is there a DIR forCCR divers? There is a lot of CCRs out there for all to be the same configuration. I dive the Optima CCR, grate unit.</div>
    Short answer is "no". Unless I am mixing my terminology up, there are no DIR-approved CCRs.

    There is one SCR they are ok with (RB80), but the prereqs are pretty steep (Tech2, for instance), and in general, I'd say they're more about open circuit.

    http://www.gue.com/Training/Technical/rebreather.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by liuk3
    However, after I started to do more reading, it looked like it is a tought class to pass, so maybe I will take it potentially at a later date once I've gotten much more experience/training.
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    <DIV>Here's what they told me, don't worry about passing or failing. It's about learning new things and becoming better. Later on if you decide to get the card retest over the things you didn't do well on.</DIV>
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    <DIV>It's not about passing. That's what I was told, I appreciate the fact it's a tough class though, just not the fact that the odd's are not in your favor to pass.</DIV>

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    <DIV>There dose seem to be a lot of OC going to CCR for technical diving.</DIV>

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