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    Best 1st stage for Pony set up?

    Just bought a used 19cf pony bottle, and was looking for the best reg/ gauge set up for this system.

    I should add that I am planning on doing some solo diving and buddy diving, max depth 110, no penetration dives.

    I like the idea of no valve/screw the first stage into the bottle set up, but am concerned about air leaks when the system is stored?? I have found two of these Zeagle and H2o Odessy, any other suggestions or preferences? Is it possible to get a first stage only? I can pair it with a ScubaPro MK25 or an Aeris Atmos Pro Reg. Compatibility issues?

    I was also looking at the tiny pony gauge, and i was thinking of mounting it on a short hose, maybe with a tape or foam wrap and wiretie to the reg hose for easy viewing. Any toughts on this?

    Lastly, I saw a tech diver recently, pony bottle set up with a hose from main 1st stage to pony first stage. He said it has a one-way valve to pony and automaticly tops the pony off as you turn your main air on. Sounded uber cool. Ever heard of it? Know where I can find it? Any thoughts about it.
    He also had his bc whip running off the pony??

    Thanks for any help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaScubaDude View Post
    Lastly, I saw a tech diver recently, pony bottle set up with a hose from main 1st stage to pony first stage. He said it has a one-way valve to pony and automaticly tops the pony off as you turn your main air on. Sounded uber cool. Ever heard of it? Know where I can find it? Any thoughts about it.
    He also had his bc whip running off the pony??

    Thanks for any help!
    I sure would like to see a picture of how he had everything setup. The topping off the pony sounds good as long as long as you don't switch mixes.
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    [/quote]
    I sure would like to see a picture of how he had everything setup. The topping off the pony sounds good as long as long as you don't switch mixes.[/QUOTE]

    No mixed gas for me just compressed air mix

    Do you think I should post this under tech?

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    Posting in tech would probably get you better feedback on this one.

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    I moved this thread to Tech for you guys.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WaScubaDude View Post
    Just bought a used 19cf pony bottle, and was looking for the best reg/ gauge set up for this system.

    I should add that I am planning on doing some solo diving and buddy diving, max depth 110, no penetration dives.

    I like the idea of no valve/screw the first stage into the bottle set up, but am concerned about air leaks when the system is stored?? I have found two of these Zeagle and H2o Odessy, any other suggestions or preferences? Is it possible to get a first stage only? I can pair it with a ScubaPro MK25 or an Aeris Atmos Pro Reg. Compatibility issues?

    I was also looking at the tiny pony gauge, and i was thinking of mounting it on a short hose, maybe with a tape or foam wrap and wiretie to the reg hose for easy viewing. Any toughts on this?

    Lastly, I saw a tech diver recently, pony bottle set up with a hose from main 1st stage to pony first stage. He said it has a one-way valve to pony and automaticly tops the pony off as you turn your main air on. Sounded uber cool. Ever heard of it? Know where I can find it? Any thoughts about it.
    He also had his bc whip running off the pony??

    Thanks for any help!
    That sounds like a bizarre system (the cross-fill whip attached full time) and I would avoid it without knowing more.

    If you already have regs that you know and trust down to 110', go ahead and use them. You say you have a MK25 first stage? That's a very good first stage (if I do say, since that's what I use), and if you have a spare you may as well use it. Shouldn't be any issue pairing it up to another brand second stage... there are very few regs out there that have specific non-standard IP requirements that would fall outside the normal range, so go for it.

    If you want to buy some regs just for it, there are two schools of though: 1) buy the best regs you can afford, since the only time you'll be using the pony is a horrible emergency, or 2) buy something cheap but reliable and don't give it another thought. I tend toward the latter, though I may change my mind at some point. See what ScubaToys has on sale this week and pick one up. A week or two ago, I noticed they had a nice looking Mares reg on sale for under $150 that would have worked just fine. I've also seen hot deals on ScubaBoard for some Beauchat first stages that were super cheap, like $65. That would work fine if you only have a spare second stage laying around.

    As for a pressure gauge, most common I've seen is either a button gauge (hard to read) or one of those compact 1" gauges on a 6" hose.
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    [/QUOTE]That sounds like a bizarre system (the cross-fill whip attached full time) and I would avoid it without knowing more. [/QUOTE]

    Imagine a HP "gauge" hose with a HP male fitting on each end. Hooked right into the HP ports on both first stages. I didn't actualy see a check valve, he said it had a one-way valve.
    I would have liked to inspect it very closely and get more info but he was slinging his rig and walking to the water when I stopped him.

    [/QUOTE]As for a pressure gauge, most common I've seen is either a button gauge (hard to read) or one of those compact 1" gauges on a 6" hose.[/QUOTE]

    I also have a Tusa mini SPG/ DepthGauge combo that I was thinking of using. Just thinking lighter and more compact is mo better.? Thus the thought about the button gauge on the end of a longer hose so I can stick it right in my face to read it. "on the bottle mount" would work but I would only be able to check it pre dive, and that didn't seem like such a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaScubaDude
    Quote Originally Posted by CompuDude
    That sounds like a bizarre system (the cross-fill whip attached full time) and I would avoid it without knowing more.
    Imagine a HP "gauge" hose with a HP male fitting on each end. Hooked right into the HP ports on both first stages. I didn't actualy see a check valve, he said it had a one-way valve.
    I would have liked to inspect it very closely and get more info but he was slinging his rig and walking to the water when I stopped him.

    Quote Originally Posted by CompuDude
    As for a pressure gauge, most common I've seen is either a button gauge (hard to read) or one of those compact 1" gauges on a 6" hose.
    I also have a Tusa mini SPG/ DepthGauge combo that I was thinking of using. Just thinking lighter and more compact is mo better.? Thus the thought about the button gauge on the end of a longer hose so I can stick it right in my face to read it. "on the bottle mount" would work but I would only be able to check it pre dive, and that didn't seem like such a good idea.
    Yeah, I get the general idea on the cross-fill rig, I just think it's a good idea to dive it. Do whatever you want topside, but I'm not bringing a weird rig like that underwater. Any hose damage and you lose access to both of your gas supplies, for one thing.

    Re SPG, here is a standard setup:


    I still prefer a good compact SPG (but bigger than button size). Your combo thing might work, but it's bulkier than it needs to be... and I'm not sure how I feel about your button on a hose idea. Probably no worse than just a button or just a compact SPG... try it and see if it works for you.

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    if you carry a pony in a slung manner, there should not be any problem viewing your mini SPG botton. in terms of regulator, i'd get a very reliable one that fits your diving (cold water if you dive cold water).

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    i would get one you could use as a temporary back up if your primary reg was to fail for some reason and you couldn't fix it easily.

    also i agree with compudude
    the rig is pretty useless, because if that one hose fails your done. also it is not a true pony as it is connected to the main tank and isnt completely redundant.

    also, when you you ever need to use your pony?
    ohh i dont know
    maybe when your out of air
    so if your out of air in your primary tank(s) what are you going to use to top off the pony?

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