The Father / Daughter Talk

[tomich]

remember the days when the republican party stood for fiscal responsibility, a balanced budget, civil rights, and non-intervention in international military affairs?

it's been a long time since the 1870's!

[No Misses]

To: The Bleeding Heart Liberals


Subject: Life is not fair. Make the best of what you have. I will not stand in your way. YOU HAVE TO DO IT FOR YOURSELF! Many people in your position have succeeded. You can too.

[thagar]

Originally Posted by No Misses

To: The Bleeding Heart Liberals


Subject: Life is not fair. Make the best of what you have. I will not stand in your way. YOU HAVE TO DO IT FOR YOURSELF! Many people in your position have succeeded. You can too.

P.S. There is a system where everyone gets a fair share of everything. Everyone gets a house with a white picket fence and two cars in there garage. On paper its the most fair system imaginable. That system is called COMMUNISUM.

[Lulubelle]

"To: The Bleeding Heart Liberals. Subject: Life is not fair. Make the best of what you have. I will not stand in your way. YOU HAVE TO DO IT FOR YOURSELF! Many people in your position have succeeded. You can too."

I hope for your sake that you are never in a position of feeling differently, that your luck in this life is such that you continue feeling the way you do. I'm not a bleeding heart liberal. What I realize is that we all stand to gain (yes, economically as well) by giving people more choices and chances. For instance, what do you think happens to that 46 year old carpenter with heart problems who can't get health insurance that is affordable? He drops out of the workforce 20 years too early and we ALL PAY FOR HIM when he goes on disability and has to go on Medicare for his healthcare. Don't you think it makes more sense to give him a chance to stay at work? What do you think would happen to YOU if you became unable to work?

"Everyone gets a house with a white picket fence and two cars in there garage. On paper its the most fair system imaginable. That system is called COMMUNISUM."

OK, thagar, if you are going to write such things...please work on your spelling...THEIR garage and COMMUNISM.

[kong]

Just remember that a liberal thinks it is wrong to execute murderers and rapists but acceptable to murder babies.

[emalebiga]

Originally Posted by tomich

remember the days when the republican party stood for fiscal responsibility, a balanced budget, civil rights, and non-intervention in international military affairs?

it's been a long time since the 1870's!

hear hear!!!!

[Lulubelle]

Originally Posted by kong

Just remember that a liberal thinks it is wrong to execute murderers and rapists but acceptable to murder babies.

And you should remember that you have no idea what I think. I detest partisan politics. And I don't believe we should murder anyone. We don't do a very good job of killing murders and rapists anyway, do we? Every week or two someone else on death row is let out due to conclusive DNA evidence. That is why so many state have the death penalty on hold right now. As for babies, I wouldn't kill one. I believe that if people would get out of their caves and work to prevent unwanted pregnancies, we would realize that we are all on the same side. I've sent LOTS of babies to the morgue who died at their parents own hands for horrible offenses such as...crying...or for looking like a sexual object to their fathers. I'd prefer that those folks didn't get pregnant in the first place.

[emalebiga]

Originally Posted by kong

Just remember that a liberal thinks it is wrong to execute murderers and rapists but acceptable to murder babies.

hehe.. I love to execute babies... I think that if I get them when they are pre birth, they give me supper powers.

umm.. If you equate liberal to baby killers, then I should be allowed to equate conservatives with rape supporters. Hey conservatives support the policies to keep rape victims from reporting rape, IE there are some conservatives that support the polices that rape victims have to pay for their rape kit, causing it less likely that they would report rape, and therefor supporting the rapest. Or I would be allowed to say that conservaties would rather support the life of one fetus, then that of hundrads victuoms preventable accidents caused by safety defects that will only effect a small percentage of people so the product will still be profitable after the law suits. Or should I say kill thosands of innocints in war but make sure you save the fetuses!

Ok what i just said was crazy wasn't it? well equating liberals to baby killing is also crazy.

Ok so the WHOLE pro-choice, pro-life debate is really messed up as they are debating the effects of a problem, and not a debate of the solution to a problem. What is the problem? People have sex, and a lot of it. Sex leads to pregency, some pregency is not wanted. So what are the causes of the pro-choice and pro life debate? people have sex, and sex leads to pregency, some pregency is unwanted. If you solve one of those causes then the prolife prochoice debate will no longer exist. Lets stop living with the problem and debating how to handle the effects of the problem and start debating the problem.

You can not be pro-life with out being pro contraceptives wither it be with condoms, pharmacuticals or "natural planning"(does this work?) they all address the problem of unwanted conception. If you are then you hold to stances that contradict each other. Well that is of course you don't believe that you could go your whole life with out having sex(this includes betting that you will never be rapped).

Another thing that is never debated in this issues is the state and PRESEVED state of adoption, and foester care in the US.

Am I currently pro-choice? yes-ish. I do not believe that we have the options in place to make aborstion a non option, once we do I will be pro life.

I wish that an abortion should never have to take place. We should work at educating about sex and its consaquences, make effective contraceptives availibe to thoses that are going to have sex. and make the adoption process as painless as possible when the contraceptives arn't used or don't work. If these tasks can be achieved you wouldn't have to worry about the pro-life pro-choice debate.


Lets start addressing the problem, and lets stop argueing over the acceptable effects of the problem.

[cgvmer]

Originally Posted by kong

Just remember that a liberal thinks it is wrong to execute murderers and rapists but acceptable to murder babies.

Actually, your wrong. I'm a bleeding heart liberal, Catholic that finds murder, for murderers/rapists or of babies is wrong.

Glad to be a bleeding heart, rather than No heart at all!

[kong]

Originally Posted by cgvmer

Actually, your wrong. I'm a bleeding heart liberal, Catholic that finds murder, for murderers/rapists or of babies is wrong.

Glad to be a bleeding heart, rather than No heart at all!

Not saying that it is true for all liberals. Just making generalizations since they seem to make life easier. Just like saying that all republicans are fat, rich, greedy, white men who hate minorities.