The Father / Daughter Talk

[Lulubelle]

Originally Posted by kong

Not saying that it is true for all liberals. Just making generalizations since they seem to make life easier. Just like saying that all republicans are fat, rich, greedy, white men who hate minorities.

Hmmm, and here I am thinking that generalizations breed intolerance and bigotry, not make life easier. They also breed polarized political positions which ultimately compromise getting to real solutions. Or perhaps you just get your jollies throwing inflammatory statements around? I don't know...

[kong]

Originally Posted by Lulubelle

Or perhaps you just get your jollies throwing inflammatory statements around? I don't know...

No just pointing out the flaws on each sides. Both groups have issues that I agree with and issues that I disagree with. I think that the whole issue of partisanship is one reason that there are so many problems and that some of the most dangerous people in the country are people who simply vote among party lines without taking the time to understand all the issues because they get caught up on one or two minor issues. The ultra-conservatives are the worst at this (the liberals love gays and hate babies). I'm sure the liberals do the same, they just tend to be more understanding and take the time to look at more than one or two issues.

[emalebiga]

Originally Posted by kong

No just pointing out the flaws on each sides. Both groups have issues that I agree with and issues that I disagree with. I think that the whole issue of partisanship is one reason that there are so many problems and that some of the most dangerous people in the country are people who simply vote among party lines without taking the time to understand all the issues because they get caught up on one or two minor issues. The ultra-conservatives are the worst at this (the liberals love gays and hate babies). I'm sure the liberals do the same, they just tend to be more understanding and take the time to look at more than one or two issues.

I am glad to hear that you are just trying to point out the flaws of each...side... typically you want to add an inflammatory statement about the other side as well. So what is your inflammatory statement about the conservatives?? because we all know that what you said about conservatives being white fat rich, and greedy is just true. LOL that was my own little baseless inflammatory statement. but seriously conservatives are fat and rich...

...still a joke?

[kong]

They do whatever the preacher man on TV tells them to do?

It is really hard to think of some baseless statements about them though because I relocated to Tennessee a few years ago and a lot of what you hear about them is true.

[emalebiga]

Originally Posted by kong

They do whatever the preacher man on TV tells them to do?

It is really hard to think of some baseless statements about them though because I relocated to Tennessee a few years ago and a lot of what you hear about them is true.

LMAO!!!

by the way us liberals really do like eating embryos for lunch.

[kong]

Originally Posted by emalebiga

by the way us liberals really do like eating embryos for lunch.

I thought you saved them for special occasions like gay weddings?

[monant]

Originally Posted by Lulubelle

OK, that was funny...but...in talking about "redistribution of wealth" as you call it, we are not talking about a GPA for goodness sake, we are talking about giving people the ability to feed their children, put a roof over their families head, getting proper healthcare for their families, etc. I grew up in Republican household myself. 12 years of being face to face with people in need have shown me that most people in unfortunate circumstances do NOT do it to themselves. Life happens. They have a sick family member, lose their house and business as a result, etc. Or maybe they didn't have the chance for a good education and are slogging it away in a low paying career. We aren't talking about people who are on Medicaid and having lots of babies. We are talking about people who are working, who get no assistance of any kind, who don't have health care, and who make more than the 980 dollars a month gross that an individual has to make less than to qualify for medicaid but not enough to afford health insurance, or a decent home, or good food for the kids etc. I'm not sure when people on this earth decided that they had no obligation to anyone other than themselves, but we all live together, and in my book, if I am fortunate I have a moral duty to try to improve the lot of others who are less so.

For the record, I didn't become a committed Moderate Democrat until later in life, and I am one of the financially fortunate who will be in the bucket of being taxed more under our Democratic Congress.

I haven't won life's lottery yet and I'm a little down on my luck. Can you spare some money? I could really use it right now.

[Lulubelle]

Originally Posted by monant

I haven't won life's lottery yet and I'm a little down on my luck. Can you spare some money? I could really use it right now.

Ah, but you mock me, and you mock others who have basic needs which are unmet. I suspect that you believe that people who are not fortunate in this life did it to themselves. I work every day in the service of people in dire circumstances who did absolutely nothing to get themselves there. It amazes me that there are people who believe that they are only accountable for that which occurs in their little lives. We all benefit from making basic opportunities available to others. We all pay mightily for those who haven't had them, i.e. the 50 year old who drops out of the workforce 15 years too early because he couldn't afford healthcare along the way and is now unable to work.

So, if I am wrong and you really do have a legitimate need, PM me. I may know how to help. And yes, I would. Not all of us live in a bubble.

[rox@ucf11]

But we do have programs for this.... In my opinion there should be a flat tax, and you should be taxed a set percent of your income, it would be fair to everyone then... Unfortunately this will never happen. The government needs to get their act together, because quite a few of the welfare programs are utter failures, maybe there could be a way to privatilize them, so that they could have some accountability, because the government obviously do not, (the housing/and loan crisis bailed out by the tax payers)

The fact of the matter is too many people abuse the system some would rather sit on their buts, and get a welfare check, rather than get up and try to make a different life for themselves, I dont have a problem at all with helping out a person in need, but again the system is abused. For example I was walking into a fast food joint, (and I really didnt have any cash on me) but a guy standing right in front of the liquor store, came up to me and asked me for some money for food, I would like to believe that he really was getting food, but comeone this happens way to often. Also, quite a few people pay no taxes at all, and even get a tax refund comeone now, theres a point at which the system failed, and has just gone too far. By no means is this everyone or even most, but the people that abuse it certainly mess it up for the rest.

[monant]

Originally Posted by Lulubelle

Ah, but you mock me, and you mock others who have basic needs which are unmet. I suspect that you believe that people who are not fortunate in this life did it to themselves. I work every day in the service of people in dire circumstances who did absolutely nothing to get themselves there. It amazes me that there are people who believe that they are only accountable for that which occurs in their little lives. We all benefit from making basic opportunities available to others. We all pay mightily for those who haven't had them, i.e. the 50 year old who drops out of the workforce 15 years too early because he couldn't afford healthcare along the way and is now unable to work.

So, if I am wrong and you really do have a legitimate need, PM me. I may know how to help. And yes, I would. Not all of us live in a bubble.

I don’t think you really understand my conservative viewpoint. It may shock you to know that I believe we should assist whose circumstances, if beyond their control deem assistance. I don’t believe relying upon this assistance should be a way of life unless there are no other options. It’s great for us to provide job training to someone who has lost their job. It’s a drain on society to provide that person a meager paycheck and not expect anything in return. It’s much better to provide low income housing, food stamps, child care, and tuition for a single mother. It’s not O.K. to provide assistance to this single mother for life and that of her child. The liberal entitlement mentality has created a class of people who are not self sufficient and rely solely upon the government for everything. Making a living for those who will not work takes assistance away from those who cannot work. Living an existence of only having your basic needs met breeds crime, perpetuates the entitlement mentality, creates class warfare, and gives liberal politicians a dependable power base.
P.S. I don't want help, just money