Burp 109.

[navyhmc]

Originally Posted by Beefcake

Great, now I have something new to be scared of. I have a condition that I think is called disfacia (sp?) that causes the valve above my stomach to remain closed at times while eating; now it sounds like this could trap air and kill me.

I think you'll be okay...Or are you planning on taking a sandwich down with you?

In actuality, in most cases a little discomfort from expanding gasses in the GI tract (never eat bbq beans an hour before diving...) will relieve itself in without problems-either way.

[bennerman]

Originally Posted by navyhmc

I think you'll be okay...Or are you planning on taking a sandwich down with you?

In actuality, in most cases a little discomfort from expanding gasses in the GI tract (never eat bbq beans an hour before diving...) will relieve itself in without problems-either way.

*Looks up from grill*
You have got to be kidding...

[bottomdweller]

I think you'll be okay...Or are you planning on taking a sandwich down with you?


Tried that at Dewey short a couple of weeks ago & it looked like a scene from the movie piranha,
Only with perch!!

[navyhmc]

Originally Posted by bottomdweller

I think you'll be okay...Or are you planning on taking a sandwich down with you?


Tried that at Dewey short a couple of weeks ago & it looked like a scene from the movie piranha,
Only with perch!!

You are a very brave...or very foolish man, future historians will decide. Did you come back with all your fingers intact? Them perch are downright vicious!!!

[Coastie6]

Originally Posted by navyhmc

I can see this went very bad, glad to know that you and the other diver are okay-Sounds like he had more going on than a bad burp. I am thinking that he had a cardiac sphincter (the muscles that keep us from regurg after eating) spasm that trapped the air. I will speculate that he did lose some of the air in his gut as from 100', he could easily have ruptured his stomach and had all sorts of problems.

When you say that they had to "Stab his stomach with a tube" and that he had air all over his chect cavity, sounds like he also had a pnuemothorax that was going tension. Was the tube in his chest? Normally, they will insert a nasogastric tube to relieve stomach pressure.

I think the Chief has it. The initial issue may have been trapped air in his stomach and panic. But based on the comment "The doctors said he had air all over in his chest cavity" it sounds like he may have gotten a pnuemothorax injury in the panicked ascent.

[bennerman]

Originally Posted by navyhmc

Them perch are downright vicious!!!

Ah, I was planning on sneaking up on one of them and slashing its little throat... is it going to put up a fight? Its my mom's fav fish

[Jack Hammer]

Not to be rude, the description of events sounds odd to me. I'm not really trying to imply anything other than maybe the telling of events isn't clear on some aspects being retold 6 months after the incident.

Jack

[navyhmc]

I have a feeling that if I were rinvolved in that situation, it may take me a while to bring myself to tell others about it. The scenario to me is very plausible and believable. Some of the meidcal aspects may not be clearly related due to a lower level of understanding of those same medical aspects. And please don't think I'm flaming or intending to flame irondiver in anyway.

A few things that do come to mind as lessons learned:

1. Don't take a younger diver beyond their level of skill no matter what they say or want.

2. A newer diver in cold water is not a very good idea given the higher risk of free flowing regulator due to higher SAC rates.

3. Personally, I would not have taken the young diver back down after his initial panic episode and would have made plans to get him to appropriate medical care at that time. I wasn't there so I can not say for sure, but I do understand the desire to increase the pressure and help relieve the pain. However, the possibility of a pneumothorax from the first surface bolt could have been accentuated if he did a breath hold on the second bolt. Nowadays, most agencies advise once on the surface, stay there! You can survive a DCS hit, but a DCS hit and drowning greatly lessens the odds of survival.

4. After he bolted to the surface again, the decision to send one ahead to contact EMS and then start to bring him back was a smart move. Hopefully the other diver came back to help move the now patient. Giving information that this was a DCS episode early was smart as well.

5. Knowing that the added exertion puts him at risk shows presence of mind, Glad he didn't take a hit.

6. Everyone lived-this is always good.

[bennerman]

Originally Posted by navyhmc

1. Don't take a younger diver beyond their level of skill no matter what they say or want.

Thats what rope and duct tape is for... well... that and annoying teenagers on dive forums who keep making faux pas's

[navyhmc]

Originally Posted by bennerman

Thats what rope and duct tape is for... well... that and annoying teenagers on dive forums who keep making faux pas's

Nope, you take them on dives within their comfort zone and level of training and gradually increase their skills, abilites and expeieince so when they do make a more intensive dive, they are ready for it.