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Old 12-18-2009, 10:42 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Something just occurred to me. I went to the PADI web site and searched for all dive centres in Aqaba. The Jordan Frogman (or Mr. Frogman) dive centre is not listed. I think this guy is either no longer certified to teach or never was. That would make a lot of sense.
It is not a PADI center. One of the guys is a PADI instructor, and he does the certifications. All staff are not PADI.
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:42 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Something just occurred to me. I went to the PADI web site and searched for all dive centres in Aqaba. The Jordan Frogman (or Mr. Frogman) dive centre is not listed. I think this guy is either no longer certified to teach or never was. That would make a lot of sense.
It is not a PADI center. One of the guys is a PADI instructor, and he does the certifications. All staff are not PADI.
Let me see if I have this right...

- Mansour Al-Shamileh is a PADI Master Diver Trainer (from his website)
- Mr. Frogman is owned by Mansour Al-Shamileh (did a whois on the website)
- Mr. Frogman is NOT a PADI dive centre (searched for it at www.padi.com)

This sets off alarm bells for me. If I was a certified PADI dive instructor, why wouldn't I make my shop a certified PADI dive centre?
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Old 12-18-2009, 03:09 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I don't know. Could it be that a PADI center must have only PADI staff?
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Old 12-18-2009, 03:47 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I don't know. Could it be that a PADI center must have only PADI staff?

We have three shops in the area that have PADI instructor and only one is a Padi Dive Centre. Being a Padi Dive Centre is nothing special other than you paid your dues to due to Padi. Send them the money and you get a banner, clock and sticker for your window and listing on the website.
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Old 12-19-2009, 09:20 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Mitsuguy your doubt of this guy and need question his every action when you have virtually zero info just got too weird.

Crappy instructor did a crappy thing, people pointed out he was crappy - PADI will too, that's all there is here.

Feel free to remove the tin foil hat and unburden yourself from the hunt for a conspiracy.
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I guess I am reading a different thread. The way I see it Mitsu thought the video was a fake and listed his reasons why. Henrik stalked him to this forum and called him out. Mitsu didn't cave.
I'm not sure why Henrik needs to be validated by everyone, but I didn't see Mitsu cross any lines.
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Old 12-19-2009, 01:31 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I don't know. Could it be that a PADI center must have only PADI staff?

We have three shops in the area that have PADI instructor and only one is a Padi Dive Centre. Being a Padi Dive Centre is nothing special other than you paid your dues to due to Padi. Send them the money and you get a banner, clock and sticker for your window and listing on the website.
That's why the LDS in my town isn't a PADI Dive Center. His margins weren't high enough to justify the extra dues. He also said you get a special logo on the rear of the cert cards or something.
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Old 12-19-2009, 02:54 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Mitsuguy your doubt of this guy and need question his every action when you have virtually zero info just got too weird.

Crappy instructor did a crappy thing, people pointed out he was crappy - PADI will too, that's all there is here.

Feel free to remove the tin foil hat and unburden yourself from the hunt for a conspiracy.
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I guess I am reading a different thread. The way I see it Mitsu thought the video was a fake and listed his reasons why. Henrik stalked him to this forum and called him out. Mitsu didn't cave.
I'm not sure why Henrik needs to be validated by everyone, but I didn't see Mitsu cross any lines.
Thats about the way I see it... I made my comments and left it at that... I stand behind what I believe I see in the video...

I had already forgotten completely about it until I got an e-mail notification that the thread had been updated...
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Old 12-19-2009, 06:57 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Mitsuguy your doubt of this guy and need question his every action when you have virtually zero info just got too weird.

Crappy instructor did a crappy thing, people pointed out he was crappy - PADI will too, that's all there is here.

Feel free to remove the tin foil hat and unburden yourself from the hunt for a conspiracy.
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I guess I am reading a different thread. The way I see it Mitsu thought the video was a fake and listed his reasons why. Henrik stalked him to this forum and called him out. Mitsu didn't cave.
I'm not sure why Henrik needs to be validated by everyone, but I didn't see Mitsu cross any lines.

I don't know who is right or wrong in this argument, and I would like to avoid commenting on it because I don't think it does anyone any good. However I do think it is fair to point out that if someone posted something in a public forum which painted a portrait of me as a liar that I would be within my rights to try to defend myself.

Again, not taking sides here fellas....just thought that the term "stalked" has some pretty negative connotations and might be a bit out of place here.
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Old 12-19-2009, 09:40 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Henrick Jonsson,
Thanks you for your efforts, advocacy and caring. In a world (especially the US) filled with apathy, lack of caring and cynicism, it is wonderful to see someone take action when needed. I trust your video and the efforts you have made will truly make at least a small change for the better. If at least one diver ends up safer and another ends up better trained it will be to your credit.

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Henrick Jonsson,
Thanks you for your efforts, advocacy and caring. In a world (especially the US) filled with apathy, lack of caring and cynicism, it is wonderful to see someone take action when needed. I trust your video and the efforts you have made will truly make at least a small change for the better. If at least one diver ends up safer and another ends up better trained it will be to your credit.

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